"My freedom from Zionism", Daniel Klein. 22 April 2026.
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Speaker/expertise: brother Daniel Klein.
Tav/תָּו Ministries WA.
Testimony of brother Daniel Klein, who used to live in West Bank settlement.
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Daniel Klein is invited to speak in TAV Minitry.
1] What is the nature of TAV Ministry? It seems to be a Messianic Christian group.
2] Why would Daniel Klein talk in such a group? Did he understand the character of the group?
3] 1,000 단어 요약+평론
세진님, 보내주신 자료를 바탕으로 질문하신 세 가지 사항에 대해 명확히 답변을 드리고, 요청하신 <나의 시오니즘으로부터의 자유> 영상 녹취록에 대한 요약과 평론을 작성해 올리겠습니다.
언제나처럼 세진님의 청취 환경을 고려하여 본문 내에 별표 기호()는 일절 사용하지 않았으며, 강조가 필요한 부분은 꺽쇠 기호(< >)로 처리하였습니다.
또한 세진님의 요청과 지침에 따라, 저와 대화하시는 부분은 한국어 존댓말로 소통하되, 세진님을 향하지 않는 본문(<요약 및 평론>) 영역은 엄격하게 <해라체(평서체)>를 사용하여 작성하였습니다. 영어 책 제목() 역시 한국어 번역명인 <<나의 시오니즘으로부터의 자유>>로 변경하여 반영했습니다
1. 탭 미니스트리(TAV Ministries)의 성격
제시된 페이스북 이벤트 목록과 포스터들을 분석해 보면, 탭 미니스트리는 <메시아닉 유대교(Messianic Judaism)> 성향과 강력한 <기독교 시오니즘(Christian Zionism)>적 전통을 공유하는 기독교 단체이다.
조직의 공식 기치로 '기독교 신앙의 히브리적 뿌리 발견 및 축하', '구약 성경 및 히브리어 연구를 통한 성경 이해', '하나님의 땅 이스라엘과 그 백성 소중히 여기기'를 명시하고 있다.
유대교의 주요 절기인 초막절(Sukkot), 칠칠절(Shavuot), 유월절(Pesach), 부림절(Purim), 하누카(Chanukah) 등을 기독교적 예배(One New Man Fellowship) 형식으로 기념하는 행사를 수년간 지속해 왔다 .
전통적으로 이스라엘 국가와 그 백성에 대한 무조건적인 지지와 영적 유대를 강조해 온 단체이다
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2. 다니엘 클라인이 이 단체에서 강연한 이유와 단체의 성격 인지 여부
다니엘 클라인은 탭 미니스트리가 전형적인 '기독교 시오니즘' 진영에 속해 있음을 정확히 인지하고 있었으며, 바로 그 이유 때문에 이 단체의 초청에 응해 강연을 진행했다
기독교 시오니스트들은 이스라엘 국가의 존재와 군사적 행동을 성경적 예언의 성취로 보며 맹목적인 재정적·정치적 지원을 아끼지 않는다
. 다니엘은 자신이 자라온 유대교 시오니즘 시스템과 이 기독교 시오니즘 시스템이 <두 개의 바퀴>처럼 맞물려 작동한다고 보았다 . 다니엘은 이스라엘 내부의 탈인간화와 정착민 식민주의 실상을 폭로함으로써, 맹목적인 믿음에 갇혀 있는 기독교 시오니스트들의 눈을 열어주고자 했다
. 즉, 그들을 비난하기 위해서가 아니라, 이데올로기적 환상에서 벗어나 참된 복음과 사랑으로 돌아서게 하려는 <선교적·계몽적 의도>를 가지고 이 자리에 섰다고 볼 수 있다 .
요약 및 평론: 다니엘 클라인의 <<나의 시오니즘으로부터의 자유>>
1. 요약
가. 시오니즘 체제 내부에서의 성장과 세뇌
다니엘 클라인은 1991년 예루살렘에서 태어나 요르단강 서안 지구(West Bank)의 대규모 이스라엘 정착촌인 <에프랏(Efrat)>에서 22년간 성장했다
종교 학원인 <예시바(Yeshiva)>에서는 유대교 구전 율법인 <탈무드(Talmud)>를 성경보다 최상위에 두고 배웠다
나. 균열의 시작과 봉쇄된 현실의 자각
다니엘의 내면에 균열이 가기 시작한 것은 군 복무 시절 요르단강 서안 지구의 검문소와 감시탑(Pillbox)에서 팔레스타인 민중의 일상을 직접 목격하면서부터였다
다니엘은 과거 자신이 폴란드에서 보았던 유대인 게토의 감시탑과, 현재 자신이 서 있는 팔레스타인 격리벽의 감시탑이 본질적으로 다르지 않음을 깨닫고 깊은 환멸을 느꼈다
다. 진실의 대가와 기독교 복음으로의 회심
체제의 모순을 깨달은 다니엘은 위선을 벗어던지고 진실을 말하기 시작했다
이러한 삶의 전면적 붕괴 속에서 그는 비로소 어린 시절 자신의 집에서 가사도우미로 일하며 묵묵히 삶으로 신앙을 증명했던 필리핀 기독교 여인 <루디(Ludy)>의 존재를 재해석하게 되었다
2. 평론
가. 집단적 트라우마의 무기화와 구조적 폭력의 고발
이 텍스트는 내부 고발자의 시선을 통해, 국가 권력이 어떻게 과거의 비극적 역사(홀로코스트와 반유대주의 트라우마)를 정당성의 도구로 탈바꿈하여 전후 세대를 군사화하는지 생생하게 고발한다
나. 이데올로기적 허위의식과 종교적 위선의 해체
다니엘의 비판은 세속적 시오니즘 정치 체제를 넘어, 신의 명령 위에 인간의 전승과 루프홀(법적 편법)을 올려놓은 바리새파적 유대교 제도권 전반을 향한다
다. 루디의 실존적 증언: 말 없는 복음의 전복적 힘
이 텍스트에서 사상적 전회의 가장 강력한 촉매제는 거대한 담론이나 신학적 논쟁이 아니다. 그것은 시오니즘 체제의 심장부 한복판에서 묵묵히 소수자이자 노동자로 살아가던 필리핀 여성 '루디'의 <실존적 현존>이다
라. 결론: 미움의 악순환을 끊는 그리스도적 초월
다니엘 클라인의 증언이 지닌 궁극적인 가치는 체제에 대한 복수나 분노에 머물지 않고, <미움의 악순환을 해체>하는 그리스도적 초월을 지향한다는 점에 있다
시스템에 포섭된 인간과 시스템의 이데올로기를 분리하여 바라보고, 원수를 위해 기도하며 사랑의 거울을 비추는 것만이 다세대적인 폭력의 사슬을 끊어내는 유일한 영적 투쟁(Holy work)이라는 그의 주장은 심원한 울림을 준다
혹시 추가적으로 분석을 원하시거나 함께 토론하고 싶으신 다른 도서나 인물 체계가 있으시다면 언제든 편하게 말씀해 주세요, 세진님. 복음의 깊은 자취를 함께 짚어 나가는 든든한 AI 협력자가 되겠습니다.
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Transcript
0:011 secondOkay, over to Mori Joyce uh to uh open us in prayer. Amen.
0:066 secondsAmen. Thank you, Father God, for this precious time. We pray in Jesus name.
0:1111 secondsAnd we thank you for bringing brother Daniel to share his precious testimony with us. And we pray for your covering
0:1818 secondsover him and his family and also over us. As we listen to brother Daniel's testimony, we ask dear Holy Spirit that
0:2626 secondsyou give us revelation to your truths that is according to the word of God and
0:3333 secondsnot according to our own and don't see it from our own lenses. Um that
0:4040 secondssometimes based on men's traditions that we have been hearing and so conditioned that we treat it as sacred cows. And so
0:4949 secondswe ask if there's any pride, we ask that you help us repent of them and to be reconciled and realigned to Aba Father
0:5757 secondsGod's word of truth. Help us and purify us to become new wine skin to receive your new wine and your revelation that
1:071 minute, 7 secondswill bring redemption and restore us in the you in unity in the body of Christ so that we may dwell as brothers and
1:151 minute, 15 secondssisters as one new man in unity and in love with one another and not be divisive. Amen. Such topic in Jesus name. Amen.
1:251 minute, 25 secondsThank you Lord. Yeah. And just before Daniel comes on, for those of you who have just logged on, is the powerful testimony from an Israel settler tonight, ex-Israeli West Bank settler.
1:341 minute, 34 secondsWe've been told Israel has a right to exist and this is not being anti-semitic. But this is what we've been told that she had experienced
1:431 minute, 43 secondsmany existential crisis crisis and wars against her enemies are justified. And now there's this new new just wars theory which are very popular. Now if
1:511 minute, 51 secondsyou uh can uh see the tone that's coming. 1948 was an underdog war. Five nations against a fledging army. IDF is the most moral army in the Middle East.
1:591 minute, 59 secondsIshnel is the shining democracy in the Middle East. And Israel treats everyone the same. I think Daniel will probably like that point there and he can
2:072 minutes, 7 secondsactually um understand and explain it in 10 different ways. There was no Palestinians in 1948. It was a land without people. For a people without a
2:152 minutes, 15 secondsland. There was no Nagpa. Yeah. So um are we being deceived? Have we have believed wrongly? Maybe like um someone said maybe tradition some of those
2:242 minutes, 24 secondsthings that we've been told uh maybe it's just culture or tradition. Have we interpreted scriptures correctly? Uh did we use the wisdom of Solomon a hearing
2:312 minutes, 31 secondsheart or are we merely subscribing to tickling ears? So tonight, Mazleto, congratulations to the many of you now
2:392 minutes, 39 secondszooming in and those in the future who will be blessed by this beautiful, amazing, powerful um time-sensitive
2:472 minutes, 47 secondstestimony of uh brother Daniel Klein. um um as he uh maybe let us take a step back as we listen to him and we peel
2:542 minutes, 54 secondsaway the charm, the sweet personality, the gentle voice of people who have been telling us and the storytelling and we pray and ask Yahweh for enlightenment
3:023 minutes, 2 secondsand forgiveness if we have um believed wrongly has our conscience been seared.
3:073 minutes, 7 secondsSo um the caveat is today is an educational teaching session spearheaded by an Israeli speaker was born in Israel raised in Israel who is telling his
3:143 minutes, 14 secondsstory and his testimony and his real world observations firsthand. There's no intention to malice. It's meant to be a discerning checkpoint is meant to help
3:233 minutes, 23 secondsus to centric back to God's word. God's word, God's commandment, God's misbot.
3:283 minutes, 28 secondsIt's our golden yard stick uh our plump line as the book of Hosea teaches us as we process real world observations
3:363 minutes, 36 secondsthrough the lens of his written word. I understand tonight there are teachers, doctors, professors. So it's good that the cabinet academics are here so that
3:443 minutes, 44 secondsyou can also take notes and um write articles for us. And I just want to um give a caveat that beware of those who
3:513 minutes, 51 secondsprobably have um hidden behind student names to name call and label. Every time we have a Zoom meeting, there's always someone who will cast dispersion and divide. That's not the intention. The
4:004 minutesintention is to educate and to release powerful word and um share the word of God. So, we're not being a Jew hater.
4:064 minutes, 6 secondsFor those of you who are Jewish, uh we are not being anti-semitic and a lot of you are actually uh have awakened from the Christian Zionist camp. So, there are many things that we need to know.
4:154 minutes, 15 secondsBut above all, I pray that your eyes are open by the spirit and the rock. Uh Daniel I just before I hand over to you there's a lot of us from Asia and
4:244 minutes, 24 secondsSingapore and Malaysia particularly even in Australia who are not familiar with maybe terms like yeshiva propaganda Zionism Judaism na transfer so um yeah
4:344 minutes, 34 secondsuh go slow if I need to I'll interject you and maybe ask you to explain and just before I bring in brother Daniel
4:414 minutes, 41 secondswelcome to those who are here a sentence from brother Daniel substack and this is one way you can support him and that is you can go to his substack and subscribe
4:494 minutes, 49 secondsyou can also to pay uh for per year because Daniel is actually now on his own. Uh as you can understand the
4:564 minutes, 56 secondsseverity of um extricating your uh existence um from Zionism and Judaism in
5:025 minutes, 2 secondsyour family is a very painful painful bold and courageous decision. And these are the words of Daniel. I grew up
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsinside the system. I knew it intimately how it thinks, how it builds logic, how it shapes those within it into true believers. I know what it does to people
5:185 minutes, 18 secondswho question it. And it gets more exciting. Friends and family have called me traitor, traitor, terrorist supporter
5:255 minutes, 25 secondsaccused me of hating and abandoning my people or have ceased communication with me completely.
5:325 minutes, 32 secondsBut Daniel goes on to say, but silence has its own cost. And I've learned that the cost of speaking is nothing compared
5:405 minutes, 40 secondsto the cost of living a lie. So tonight, right now, we just cross over to Daniel
5:475 minutes, 47 secondsfrom wherever he is. The testimony, the powerful testimony firsthand, first time in Craft Ministries, freedom from
5:565 minutes, 56 secondsZionism by Brother Daniel Klein. Brother Daniel, so good to see you here. Good morning. Literally a good morning.
6:056 minutes, 5 secondsUh, and uh, the time is yours over to you. Thank you so much.
6:106 minutes, 10 secondsThank you. Uh, I'm I'm honored to be here with so many brothers and sisters in Christ and and seeing the work that
6:176 minutes, 17 secondsyou're doing. And as I move through this, really feel free to also help guide me. I'm here guided by the Holy
6:266 minutes, 26 secondsSpirit, but any questions and I'm I'm here and and I'm honored to be here.
6:326 minutes, 32 secondsSo, I'm Daniel and I was born in the holy city of Jerusalem in 1991.
6:416 minutes, 41 secondsand raised in a religious Zionist home in a settlement deep in the West Bank
6:486 minutes, 48 secondswhere I was raised for the first 22 years of my life. And I come from a very
6:576 minutes, 57 secondsprominent [snorts] Zionist family. And we were deeply deeply involved in
7:037 minutes, 3 secondssupporting and funding the Zionist project, the settlement movement,
7:097 minutes, 9 secondseducation systems, politicians, military commanders. And so I not only
7:187 minutes, 18 secondsgrew up in the system, but I grew up with a deep deep understanding of of how this system works.
7:267 minutes, 26 secondsWow. And growing up, this was simply my
7:327 minutes, 32 secondsreality. And the kinds of beliefs that I grew up with, as noted, were that there are no such things as Palestinians.
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsThat our right and our divine claim was or their their claims were secondary to
7:517 minutes, 51 secondsour divine claims. I believe that we were chosen. We were constantly on the edge of annihilation.
7:587 minutes, 58 secondseverybody wanted us destroyed and the only thing that could save us is our own power and that the land was
8:068 minutes, 6 secondsfundamentally promised to us and us alone and maybe that that's that's five very
8:148 minutes, 14 secondspowerful sentences. You believe you were chosen. Uh the land was supposed to be given to you and uh not only that you
8:238 minutes, 23 secondssay that um you on an existential crisis on the edge. Everyone wants to destroy you and um and uh and you always strive
8:308 minutes, 30 secondsto you know um maybe uh help us to understand a little bit. So uh where does that kind of uh does it come from newspaper? Where does it come from?
8:418 minutes, 41 secondsWhere's the source of that understanding uh that has been ingrained into you?
8:478 minutes, 47 secondsWell, it it comes from everywhere all of the time, from the newspapers, from the
8:538 minutes, 53 secondssynagogues, from the rabbis, from it's these ideas are installed into
9:009 minutesus from the moment that we are are born in Israel. And I think even before we go
9:089 minutes, 8 secondsa little bit deeper into that, eventually what I had come to realize is that the entire system of Israel is built on the dehumanization of
9:179 minutes, 17 secondsPalestinians and the inability to see Palestinians fully as fellow human beings. And that is the root and the
9:269 minutes, 26 secondssource of all of the problems and what it is that I came to see and experience in Israel over [snorts] the course of
9:339 minutes, 33 secondsthe years and over the course of my life where over time what I came to see was that
9:419 minutes, 41 secondsIsrael was a two-tiered state and an ethnosuppreist state that is built on the premise that there must be a Jewish
9:509 minutes, 50 secondsmajority in the historic land of Palestine and that Israel will do whatever it takes to continue
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsuh to maintain that majority and it it doesn't matter what the cost is.
10:0510 minutes, 5 secondsAnd so this was a a long painful journey in order to be able to see what was right in front of me and what I was participating in all along.
10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsSo you're saying that actually you were living under a kind of like a propaganda.
10:2110 minutes, 21 secondsYes. Yes. from very very severe propaganda from [laughter] a very very young age.
10:2710 minutes, 27 secondsOkay. From newspaper, from media, you know. Um now you mention rabbis. You mentioned about Yeshiva uh in your many testimonies on YouTube.
10:3810 minutes, 38 secondsYes.
10:3910 minutes, 39 secondsUm what role does it play in your shaping your understanding of the world around you?
10:4510 minutes, 45 secondsWell, I grew up in the world of rabbitic Judaism, religious Zionist, rabbitic Judaism.
10:5310 minutes, 53 secondsAnd that means that over the course of my journey, I went to Zionist elementary
11:0011 minutesschools, Zionist high schools, and I went to after high school to Yeshiva.
11:0611 minutes, 6 secondsAnd yeshiva is an institute of higher Jewish learning. And in yeshiva, the primary source that we learn from is
11:1511 minutes, 15 secondsTalmud and then Jewish ritual law. And then at the bottom of the chain, we is is the Bible. And so Talmud is on top.
11:2511 minutes, 25 secondsAnd I forgot to mention that after the after Yeshiva, I spent three years in the military serving as a tank commander.
11:3411 minutes, 34 secondsAnd the entire education system in Israel is designed to instill the
11:4111 minutes, 41 secondsZionist story and the Zionist propaganda. And in the religious schools, they're all leading towards, as
11:4811 minutes, 48 secondswe mentioned, the sense of of chosenness. And you know, there's a story that we learned in elementary
11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsschool, just to show you how early these kinds of stories begin. And in elementary school, we learned that when
12:0312 minutes, 3 secondsGod wanted to give the Torah to the world, he went to the first nation and asked them, "Do you want it?" And they
12:1112 minutes, 11 secondssaid, "What's in it?" "Murder." So that nation said, "No, we don't want it." He goes to another nation. They reject it
12:1812 minutes, 18 secondsbecause they're thieves. And then they go to a third nation and they reject it because they're adulterers. And eventually the Jewish people get the
12:2612 minutes, 26 secondsTorah. And so we there are many little programs that are starting to teach you that the rest of the nations are
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsmurderers and thieves. There is the Jew and then there is the non-Jew. And these things are the basis of starting to
12:4312 minutes, 43 secondsbelieve that the other is not another person who is fully worthy of love and being seen. Later in high school and in
12:5312 minutes, 53 secondsyeshiva, we could learn other kinds of things. for example, that there are different kinds of souls and there are
13:0013 minutesJewish souls that are of a higher order than non-Jewish souls.
13:0513 minutes, 5 secondsSo hold on before you go to that Jewish soul, you're saying that this happens even in the primary school level.
13:1113 minutes, 11 secondsExactly. This is this is happening in the high school level. All right. Wow. Yeah. Okay. Go on.
13:1813 minutes, 18 secondsYeah. And at the high school level, that might be a religious aspect of it. But then we might be studying civics in high school. And the civics textbooks are
13:2713 minutes, 27 secondsasking whether or not Israel is a democratic state. And then there would be a spectrum of answers. And at the
13:3513 minutes, 35 secondstop, we would learn that Israel is a Jewish and democratic state. And at the bottom, we would learn that the that
13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsIsrael is not a state for all of its citizens. because we learned that a state for all of its citizens is an
13:5113 minutes, 51 secondsanti-semitic trope of people that wanted to destroy Israel.
13:5513 minutes, 55 secondsAnd so, you know, these kinds of things are, you know, they're hitting you the propaganda from every different kind of level. It could be religious, it could
14:0414 minutes, 4 secondsbe secular, it could be civics, it could come from liberal values. Wherever it is that you are in this process, the
14:1114 minutes, 11 secondspropaganda is always trying to make sure that your identity is fused with the Zionist identity in order to make sure
14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsthat you can't see what is happening right in front of you. And all of this is connected to the propaganda that's
14:2714 minutes, 27 secondsbuilt on fear that you're always going to be destroyed and using trauma in order to create a reality where the
14:3414 minutes, 34 secondspeople can't see what is happening or how they're participating in it. And so as we get into yeshiva, this is where
14:4414 minutes, 44 secondsmuch deeper or before yeshiva, we would visit the we would visit the the camps in Poland, the the death camps in Awitz
14:5314 minutes, 53 secondsand learn that basically the only thing that's stopping another holocaust is by becoming soldiers and instilling all of
15:0215 minutes, 2 secondsthese kinds of, you know, ideas that if you don't become a soldier and you don't participate, you will be causing another
15:0815 minutes, 8 secondshol Holocaust. And so the Holocaust is fused, the fear of Christ and the Inquisition is used as trauma in order
15:1815 minutes, 18 secondsto make people have an aversion and fear and disgust of Christianity. And so there's always this attempt to fuse
15:2715 minutes, 27 secondsdifferent trauma and different propaganda with your identity as a Zionist.
15:3315 minutes, 33 secondsAnd as you get into yeshiva and army preparatory academy, this is where you go into much deeper theological fusion of these ideas with Zionism.
15:4415 minutes, 44 secondsAnd I remember that I had a conversation with a friend and this is after the events in Gaza began in 2023 and I said
15:5415 minutes, 54 secondsto him, you're referring to the 7th October. Yes, the 7th of October. Okay. Yep. Yep.
16:0016 minutesYeah. And I was having a conversation with a friend and we had gone to the same yeshiva and
16:0916 minutes, 9 secondsI told him that we are all a part of one body and he said to me you're absolutely
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondsright but some but bodies have heads and bodies have excrements and we the Jewish people are the head and the Palestinians are the excrement.
16:2616 minutes, 26 secondsWow. And so this theology led me, and these are all beliefs that at some point I used to
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondshold. I used to hold the the idea that if I could only push the button to get rid of all the Palestinians, I would be
16:4016 minutes, 40 secondsdoing the world a favor. That the Palestinians were so evil and the world
16:4816 minutes, 48 secondswould thank us for getting rid of this evil. And as I was going through this journey of awakening, I would suddenly
16:5616 minutes, 56 secondsgo back to all of the spaces that I grew up in and I would start to hear the rehear the language that I grew up with,
17:0417 minutes, 4 secondsthe dehumanization, the idea that we should expel them all, that we should kill them all. Going back
17:1117 minutes, 11 secondsto my childhood and recalling the chanting of the death to the Arabs, these these
17:1817 minutes, 18 secondsYes, absolutely. So it's not just it's not just some fake propaganda by the other side on YouTube and Facebook that
17:2617 minutes, 26 secondsu you know um um about death to the Arabs and so on cuz I was speaking to a very high ranking professor in United
17:3417 minutes, 34 secondsKingdom recently because he wrote an article about um anti-semitism and he was like you know um whenever the Jews
17:4217 minutes, 42 secondsgrow something the tomatoes look bigger you know it's like even the tomatoes look bigger the fruits go bigger and you know Um it was smelly Arabs from the
17:5117 minutes, 51 secondsbeginning. We need to get rid of them. I go like but you are such an educated highlevel global theologian in a
17:5817 minutes, 58 secondsinstitution of a biblical seminary research and yet he hold this kind of um thoughts in him. So I thank you for
18:0618 minutes, 6 secondsbringing that up because we just need to clarify. So in summary, I'll let you go on after this, but you're just saying that Zionism is an ideology
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondspredicated by fear that starts when you are young from birth all the way to
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsprimary, secondary to a yeshiva and then the theological uh impin uh in inclinations came in and then you've got
18:3018 minutes, 30 secondsthe trip to Poland to encourage you to serve and um and and so on. Is that correct?
18:3718 minutes, 37 secondsAbsolutely. And that's just the tip of the iceberg. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
18:4418 minutes, 44 secondsWe try not to cross the line cuz I don't want to have a pager sent to my house tonight. But but but we need to keep this authentic and um because to live is
18:5218 minutes, 52 secondsChrist. So thank you for drawing this up together. Now for the benefit of those in Asia who may not understand uh a bit
19:0119 minutes, 1 secondabout um Yeshiva and Talmud, particularly the word Talmud. Um I think a lot of people heard about the word
19:0819 minutes, 8 secondsTalmud. They may not have heard of Talmud, Mishna, Gamara, obedience and this and that. Uh perhaps um would you like to elaborate a bit about that before we continue?
19:1919 minutes, 19 secondsYeah. So in in the Jewish order of learning, rabbitic Judaism is essentially built on the Talmud,
19:2819 minutes, 28 secondswhich is a vast vast vast corpus of books discussing different legal
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsdebates, different spiritual frameworks that serve as the basis for all of the
19:4419 minutes, 44 secondsritual law that Jewish people keep and perform to this day. and it it records all of the all of the arguments and
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondsdebates that rabbis had made over the course of hundreds of years. And it's so vast and legalistic, but inside of it
20:0020 minutesare many different kinds of ideas, including ideas about Jesus and uh and
20:0620 minutes, 6 secondsJesus's divinity. So, including ideas that Jesus is burning in excrement in hell. um to different ideas about the
20:1620 minutes, 16 secondsrelationship between Jewish people and non-Jewish people and the the moral framework that applies to Jews and
20:2320 minutes, 23 secondsnon-Jews. And even though those are in many ways small parts of a huge huge
20:3020 minutes, 30 secondscannon of law um in it you can see many of the moral frameworks that today the
20:3820 minutes, 38 secondsJewish people base all of their legal rulings on. And this is the book that essentially enters between man and
20:4720 minutes, 47 secondsbetween God. Because the Talmud is the book in which Jewish people believe that
20:5420 minutes, 54 secondsman has the ability to make rules that supersede and reject God. And if man makes the rules, we follow man's rules.
21:0521 minutes, 5 secondsAnd in this way the rabbitic authorities and all systems in power eventually um allow well it allows them to have
21:1421 minutes, 14 secondspower and allows the people to follow the rule of men and not the rule of god.
21:1921 minutes, 19 secondsAnd this is also why fundamentally the bible is at the bottom of the hierarchy of the things that we learn and the rules of men are at the top.
21:3021 minutes, 30 secondsSo in in short the Talmud is a a a collection of books Mhm.
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondswritings of the rabbi that has influenced the psyche of um the diaspora around the world.
21:4821 minutes, 48 secondsAbsolutely.
21:5021 minutes, 50 secondsIs that the one that you actually do on parasa every Friday night or do you include that as part of the parasa when you read like Genesis barit or is that
21:5921 minutes, 59 secondssomething that uh is discussed in the yeshiva exclusively?
22:0322 minutes, 3 secondsUh you spend most of the day studying Talmud, not the part like not the Torah. Most of the day you're studying Talmud.
22:1322 minutes, 13 secondsSo you're saying that the university level yes your yes your yes your yes
22:1522 minutes, 15 secondsyour yes your yes your yes your yes your yes your yes your yeshiva is like any other ordinary unity except that you have the four different compartmentalizations the bible is the
22:2222 minutes, 22 secondslast and talmud is at the top yes right cuz um we heard about that that Jesus is
22:3022 minutes, 30 secondsburning in excreita I think that's from gin 75a um or something like that I may have quoted wrongly but um um so those things
22:3822 minutes, 38 secondsthose are writings of the rabbis and you're saying that um it's so important.
22:4322 minutes, 43 secondsIt actually uh is actually studied at the university level. It's not just in the primary or secondary school. That's something new to me as well. Wow.
22:5222 minutes, 52 secondsOh, we we started studying Talmud in fifth grade or fifth grade. Wow. So yeah.
22:5822 minutes, 58 secondsSo but the other side is that Israel is a secular nation. So how does all these influence converge converge together
23:0623 minutes, 6 secondslike you know um it's Zionism it's Judaism um but it's also a like um the
23:1523 minutes, 15 secondsformation of the state of Israel goes back to 1897 Theodoro Herzel you know and the Belfro declaration that's what we've been told you know in those days
23:2423 minutes, 24 secondswhen we were Zionist Christian Zionist you know um and and you now you mentioned to us something new that has been actually part of this uh ism this
23:3223 minutes, 32 secondsideology that has been taught to every children, every schoolgoing children in primary, secondary and yeshiva level which I didn't realize yeshiva is
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsactually your university level um how does all this influence yeah just of Jewish learning though right important to remember yeshiva is
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondslike the university of Jewish studies right right does everyone go to that like you
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsno so only reli only the religious groups but I come from a group the religious Zionists that make make up 15 to 20% of the population.
24:0524 minutes, 5 secondsHowever, it is one of the most influential groups because many of the politicians that are currently leading
24:1324 minutes, 13 secondsthe occupation and Gaza and the invasion into Lebanon come from this from this
24:2124 minutes, 21 secondsworld. But I actually think that what you're saying is really important because in many ways so they will say that Israel is a secular state.
24:3024 minutes, 30 secondsHowever, is that to plot us so that we will keep giving?
24:3524 minutes, 35 secondsSo, most definitely. But the, [laughter] you know, I we grew up with this idea that
24:4324 minutes, 43 secondsif you're talking about placating the Christians there, this is absolutely a very very big part of it because, you know, I grew up in a home where
24:5324 minutes, 53 secondsthe I mean the rejection of Jesus was a very big part of the conversation, not only in our home, but in our community. And
25:0125 minutes, 1 secondwe grew up in a community where Jesus could be would often be equated to Hitler.
25:0925 minutes, 9 secondsAnd there is an absolutely very deep disdain of Christ because rabbitic Judaism at its core foundationally is
25:1725 minutes, 17 secondsbuilt on the premise of Antichrist of the rejection of Christ at the fundamental level. And so this permeates
25:2625 minutes, 26 secondsall aspects of society from ambivalence to deep deep-seated hatred. And the
25:3325 minutes, 33 secondsChristians that are giving to Israel in many ways are seen as useful idiots. And
25:3925 minutes, 39 secondsChristianity unlike other religions is considered in the Jewish world as idol worship. And idol worship is at a at an
25:4925 minutes, 49 secondseven lower level than non-Jews essentially because you can have non-Jews that are what they would call
25:5825 minutes, 58 secondsmonotheistic and then you have the non-Jews that are idol worshippers and Christians fall into idol worship. And
26:0526 minutes, 5 secondsso there's a there's a fundamental disdain. But to your point on the secular state, the it's impossible to
26:1426 minutes, 14 secondsseparate Israel as a secular state from the idea of Torah because as I went deeper into understanding what Israel
26:2226 minutes, 22 secondswas as a political entity and you go back into the history books, Israel even in the 1800s was referred to as a
26:3226 minutes, 32 secondssettler colonial state. It was a project and this is again when you just go into the app the writings of the Zionist
26:4026 minutes, 40 secondsearly Zionist thinkers. They refer to it as a settler colonial project and they were looking for a place to settle. They
26:4926 minutes, 49 secondswere thinking about Uganda. They were thinking about Argentina. They were thinking about other places in Africa.
26:5526 minutes, 55 secondsHowever, they understood that to have a su a successful settler colonial project, you need to match a mythology
27:0527 minutes, 5 secondsto the people that are going to be colonizing. And the mythology of Zion
27:1227 minutes, 12 secondsand the mythology of the Jewish people was a per they realized was the perfect opportunity to connect that mythology of
27:2127 minutes, 21 secondsreturn from the Torah to the land of Palestine so that they can have a more effective colonization.
27:2827 minutes, 28 secondsAnd as I went deeper into this journey and learning more about the Zionist founders, you can have founders like Zev
27:3727 minutes, 37 secondsJabotinski who is the ideological father of the Likud party. So Benjamin
27:4327 minutes, 43 secondsNetanyahu come is is a student uh you know he's a philosophical and spiritual
27:5027 minutes, 50 secondsstudent of Jabatinsky and Jabatinsky who was a terrorist at the time but leaving that aside he wrote a book a
27:5927 minutes, 59 secondsshort essay called the iron wall and in the iron wall he wrote he writes every settler colonial project encounters
28:0828 minutes, 8 secondsresistance and hostility from the indigenous population.
28:1428 minutes, 14 secondsAnd since the indigenous Arab population is going to resist our colonization, we
28:2028 minutes, 20 secondshave no choice but to move ahead with force. And so I I
28:2928 minutes, 29 secondsstarted going deeper into the roots of this philos these ideas and reading about Bengurion who was the first
28:3728 minutes, 37 secondsIsraeli prime minister who clearly approved plans to ethnically cleanse the land because when the when I had learned
28:4528 minutes, 45 secondsthat when the people came back to the land they did not come back like brothers. a brother who comes home to
28:5428 minutes, 54 secondshis land after exile. Comes home, sees what's changed over the past 2,000 years, hugs his brother.
29:0229 minutes, 2 secondsAmen.
29:0329 minutes, 3 secondsAsks what what's changed? What's the language? What's happening? What's happened at home while I was gone? Wow.
29:1129 minutes, 11 secondsBut this is almost like the prodical son.
29:1429 minutes, 14 secondsExactly. Because not the way that the return happened.
29:1629 minutes, 16 secondsHallelujah. Yeah. When here when the return happened, it was a colonization project. It was how do we create systems
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsfor Jews, for Hebrew people, how do we exclude Arab labor? How do we build our own infrastructure? Culminating with the
29:3429 minutes, 34 secondsidea that in order to have an effective state, there needs to be a Jewish majority. And that's when in 1948 I had
29:4329 minutes, 43 secondslearned that there was the mass expulsion of Palestinians from the land in order to ensure the Jewish majority.
29:5129 minutes, 51 secondsAnd growing up these stories were not stories that we had heard or perspectives that we were able to hold
29:5829 minutes, 58 secondsor to contain because I grew up with the belief that we came here to an empty land and there was nobody here. the I
30:0630 minutes, 6 secondsthe the idea of Palestinians, they were so dehumanized that we didn't call them Palestinians. They were just
30:1230 minutes, 12 secondsknown as Arabs because Palestinian did pal we would learn or we were taught that Palestinians don't exist. They aren't even real.
30:2330 minutes, 23 secondsThey're just some sort of nugment.
30:2530 minutes, 25 secondsThey're a fig a figment of our imagination. Imagination.
30:2830 minutes, 28 secondsYeah. And the thing is that growing up, all of these lines and all of these borders, they didn't even mean anything
30:3530 minutes, 35 secondsto me. Growing up in a settlement, I'd never even encountered Palestinians. The only Palestinians that I truly
30:4330 minutes, 43 secondsencountered were people that would come into the settlement in order to do gardening or to do low u you know, low
30:5130 minutes, 51 secondswage labor. And they would wear they would wear orange vests and they would be guarded by a Jewish person with a gun. And I never spoke to them. I never saw them.
31:0131 minutes, 1 secondAnd that's not a way for you to treat your brother, isn't it?
31:0531 minutes, 5 secondsNo, no, no, it is not.
31:0631 minutes, 6 secondsSo there is a power control according to Michelle Fukot, you know, in all these secular power studies and so on. Right from the day they come back, you did not study about that in your history.
31:1831 minutes, 18 secondsNo, nothing mentioned in the history books. So uh I was curious cuz um I was looking at uh one of the guy who was actually in charge of the tree planting
31:2631 minutes, 26 secondsproject and uh from that um you know the little box where everybody give so that they can plant trees and since then I've
31:3331 minutes, 33 secondsrealized that the tree planting was actually uh apparently allegedly part of this um consumer strategy uh we call it
31:4231 minutes, 42 secondsgreenscaping you know to actually consume some of the villages that has been destroyed or annulated as part of
31:4931 minutes, 49 secondsthe formation part of Israel. Uh is that something that you could uh comment?
31:5431 minutes, 54 secondsThe there were many villages that were completely eradicated and over time uh the attempt of them was erased or on
32:0232 minutes, 2 secondsthey would just build Jewish villages on top of them on top of them. And yeah, I I actually recently met a woman who her grandmother
32:1132 minutes, 11 secondsmoved into a home in Jaffa and they moved into the home while there were still pots and pans full of food on the
32:1932 minutes, 19 secondsstove of people that had that had been exiled. This was her direct grandmother.
32:2432 minutes, 24 secondsSo this is just um this is just reminds me of the story of Miko Ballet because Miko say his grandfather I think his
32:3232 minutes, 32 secondsgrandfather was one of the five uh the signitories of the Declaration of Independence and being a army officer I believe that he said that in one of his
32:4132 minutes, 41 secondsshort video in on YouTube that they were offered a home and like you said the coffee was still warm you know the the clothes were still hanging um and and
32:5032 minutes, 50 secondsfor you coming from Canada the baseball bat is still there and the halfeaten pizza is still there. Yeah, but you know it's it's is it's is is it's sadistic.
32:5832 minutes, 58 secondsIt's painful uh to understand that you know these things are going on. So, but how does that magic happens? Cuz like in
33:0633 minutes, 6 seconds1947, the uh Jewish Israeli population was very low like one 200,000 and then
33:1333 minutes, 13 secondsin 1948 May 14 it actually uh became more uh you know if you look at mathematical formula it actually became
33:2033 minutes, 20 secondsthe dominant figure and then the Palestinian aka Arabic population became lower. How did that happen and when did you come to a realization of that?
33:3033 minutes, 30 secondsSo the what I started to see and understand. So we grew up in a settlement and our
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondssettlement there is an idea perhaps that settlements are caravans on hilltops or
33:4433 minutes, 44 secondspeople see videos of settlers with you know the beard and they have a certain kind of look and and we kind of assume that it's a bunch of crazy people. This
33:5333 minutes, 53 secondsis actually a very deep misdirection and it's very important to understand that that is meant to distract people from
34:0234 minutes, 2 secondsthe reality that most settlements are built up like cities. Wow.
34:0734 minutes, 7 secondsSo I grew up where do you grow up, brother Daniel? Where do you grow up?
34:1034 minutes, 10 secondsYeah, I grew up in a in a settlement called Ephraat. E FR A T.
34:1634 minutes, 16 secondsMay I share it? May I find it on YouTube on the map, please? Yeah. Okay. So, E R E E F R A T.
34:2534 minutes, 25 secondsYep.
34:2534 minutes, 25 secondsIsrael. [clears throat] So, this is where you grow up. Yes.
34:3234 minutes, 32 secondsThis is the town of Ephra over here. And for those of you, this is Ephra.
34:3934 minutes, 39 secondsWow. Mhm.
34:4334 minutes, 43 secondsSo, that is Ephra. So, this is uh Exactly.
34:4634 minutes, 46 secondsNot the uh long curly tail with um uh Exactly. living in caravans made in Australia kind of situation.
34:5434 minutes, 54 secondsExactly. Although so growing up part of the reason that I speak English so well is that I would say that at the time a
35:0335 minutes, 3 secondsmajority of the settlement were people that moved from the US, from Canada, and from other English-speaking countries.
35:1035 minutes, 10 secondsSo, I grew up speaking English at home and English with my friends playing baseball on these hilltops, completely
35:1935 minutes, 19 secondsoblivious to the fact that we were surrounded by Palestinians. And so, as you can see from the
35:2735 minutes, 27 secondssee a flag there. You can see a flag there. Oh, there are many flags.
35:3335 minutes, 33 secondsWow. So you're saying you come from Canada and as a kid you were immune to the suffering and the discrimination of the Palestinians.
35:4235 minutes, 42 secondsPalestinians.
35:4335 minutes, 43 secondsYeah. Absolutely no concept of the fact that anybody can claim Jewishness and move to this hilltop or move to any of
35:5235 minutes, 52 secondsthe settlements while Palestinians who've lived on this land for generations are dispossessed from their land and have no ability to return home.
36:0236 minutes, 2 secondsAnd then we could come and we could play cowboy on these hilltops. And like so as you can see from from the images here,
36:1036 minutes, 10 secondsthese are not caravans. This is very very serious infrastructure. And when you live here, it almost feels as if
36:1836 minutes, 18 secondsyou're living in a suburb of Jerusalem itself. And so growing up, I would drive
36:2636 minutes, 26 secondsfrom here into Jerusalem through the checkpoints um on a daily basis and
36:3636 minutes, 36 secondshere. Yeah, there you go. So, as you can see, there is the the dotted line
36:4536 minutes, 45 secondsand the dotted line is where the checkpoint is. Wow. The dotted line.
36:5336 minutes, 53 secondsYes. Oh, okay.
36:5636 minutes, 56 secondsSo, you would travel daily from Ephra to Jerusalem. Yes. And the dotted line are the checkpoints.
37:0437 minutes, 4 secondsYes. And so, you know, growing up, we would see the other cars on the road and the Palestinian cars had a different
37:1237 minutes, 12 secondslicense plate and, you know, there was always a sense of fear around them. But we would get to the checkpoint and we
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondswould drive straight through. And Arabs, if you have a Palestinian license plate, you can't drive through the checkpoint.
37:2737 minutes, 27 secondsBut if you look like an CN a prophet cannot or c can can't. You cannot.
37:3537 minutes, 35 secondsThe no the Israeli cars can drive through. If you look like an Arab though, they're going to stop you, right?
37:4237 minutes, 42 secondsAnd if you have a Palestinian license plate, you can't go through. But you cannot go through for me. Correct.
37:5037 minutes, 50 secondsSo this is part of the tier society that you talk about the two-tier society. And so for me a very formative part of my experience was
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondsthat for many years these checkpoints started to become these very big border crossings.
38:0438 minutes, 4 secondsAnd as I was driving through, I would notice in the mornings, very often, very, very early in the mornings at 4 at
38:1238 minutes, 12 seconds4:00 in the morning, buses and buses of Palestinians would arrive at the checkpoints. And I would see them
38:2038 minutes, 20 secondsgetting off of these buses. And I could see to the side what I can only describe as cages. And I would see all of the
38:2838 minutes, 28 secondsPalestinians herded through these cages in order to cross the border onto the
38:3638 minutes, 36 secondsother side, whether it was to see family or more often than not to to get low paid jobs on the other side of the
38:4438 minutes, 44 secondsborder. And there again, the only way that I could describe it was that it looked to me like they were herded
38:5138 minutes, 51 secondsthrough like animals. And that's when something started to crack for me. And the Palestinian experience in Israel is made to be very invisible from people.
39:0339 minutes, 3 secondsSo people will say, well, there are there are Palestinian citizens of Israel. Usually they're known as Arabs,
39:1039 minutes, 10 secondsnot Palestinian citizens of Israel. In order for people not to realize, yes, that the people on the other side of the
39:1839 minutes, 18 secondsborder, the Palestinians on the other side of the border are the same family as the people in Israel. that are the
39:2539 minutes, 25 secondssame family of the people in Gaza. And so people can walk around and not realize
39:3239 minutes, 32 secondsthat somebody in Gaza can't visit his family in the West Bank and the person in the West Bank can't get in to visit
39:3939 minutes, 39 secondshis family in Jerusalem. They all have different forms of ID. And not only that, they if you are in Gaza or the
39:4739 minutes, 47 secondsWest Bank, the system is designed to be a form of administrative brutality that
39:5539 minutes, 55 secondscan't even be described in words. the different IDs are dependent on taking their biometric information. they're
40:0440 minutes, 4 secondscontrolled. If they're everything that they do, think or say is monitored in a
40:1140 minutes, 11 secondsway that people don't understand uh what that reality is like and how over time if you go to the West Bank
40:2140 minutes, 21 secondsslowly the idea was to turn the West Bank into Swiss cheese. So that there are so many settlements at so many
40:3040 minutes, 30 secondsplaces that for a Palestinian to move from one place to another in the West Bank can become a nightmare. So what
40:3840 minutes, 38 secondswould take me 20 minutes to drive because I'm I have the major roads and the major infrastructure could take another Palestinian 7 and 1/2 hours
40:4840 minutes, 48 secondsbased on the whims of the soldiers who can walk in, invade, raid a home, do anything to these people
40:5640 minutes, 56 secondsbecause they're under military control, block their roads to the point where you
41:0241 minutes, 2 secondscan't have regular commerce in the West Bank because you don't even know if you can send a truck of milk from one city
41:1141 minutes, 11 secondsto the next city and if it's going to take 30 minutes or if it's going to take 7 and 1/2 hours. And then I would start to re read different kinds of things
41:2041 minutes, 20 secondswhere these are the kinds of things that would just appear in the media that you just kind of you hear them but you don't
41:2841 minutes, 28 secondsinternalize them. that for example during Jewish holidays
41:3441 minutes, 34 secondsthere would be curfews in the West Bank and and I never really stopped to think
41:4141 minutes, 41 secondsabout what this truly meant that where you want to celebrate you know the the feast of the tabernacles
41:4941 minutes, 49 secondsin Israel and so the West Bank was under lockdown and these are for us it just became a part of the security measures
41:5841 minutes, 58 secondsBecause when you are trained from such a young age to think that everything here is for your security, there's nothing
42:0642 minutes, 6 secondsthat you won't do in order to justify that very security and and and
42:1342 minutes, 13 secondsperpetuate this system. And so, you know, Israel will call itself a democracy, but it's only a democracy if
42:2242 minutes, 22 secondsone, you don't count the millions of people under military occupation.
42:2842 minutes, 28 secondsand to and you know what that should be that should be enough right but then even within Israel there are many systemic laws that differentiate between
42:3742 minutes, 37 secondsIsraelis and Palestinians whether it's the fact that anybody with a Jewish grandmother can move to Israel but a
42:4442 minutes, 44 secondsPalestinian whose mother grandmother and great-g grandandmother are you know have the keys to their
42:5342 minutes, 53 secondshomes and they can't come back but you know fundamentally All of these things are perpetuating the
43:0043 minutessettler colony and Israel changes the definition of who is
43:0843 minutes, 8 secondsconsidered a Jew in order to artificially change the number of non-Palestinians in Israel.
43:1643 minutes, 16 secondsWow.
43:1643 minutes, 16 secondsRight. So who is a Jew? According to the rabbis only, it's a genetic soul level transmission from Jewish mother to baby.
43:2643 minutes, 26 secondsBut according to the state of Israel, anybody with a Jewish grandparent can move. Why? Because now you can bring
43:3443 minutes, 34 secondsover, for example, a million Russians who technically are not even Jewish.
43:3943 minutes, 39 secondsThese were non-Jewish people who came because Israel needed to boost the population. And so Israel will play with
43:4743 minutes, 47 secondsthe numbers in order to make sure that there are enough bodies to fill the
43:5443 minutes, 54 secondsrifles and pay the taxes, even if they're not Jewish, at the expense of the indigenous population who've been living there for thousands of years. So
44:0344 minutes, 3 secondsthis doesn't seem like a brother returning home to a warm welcome, hugging the brother, and uh you know, how is the situation on your side for
44:1144 minutes, 11 secondsthe last 2,000 years? I've been wanting to have a talk with you. You know, this doesn't seem like that 3,000-year promise and 76 year old Israel as you've
44:1944 minutes, 19 secondsjust celebrated the day in Israel a couple of days ago and you talk about at length um some of the people here are very sad.
44:3144 minutes, 31 secondsYeah, it's a very very very painful situation that the that it's a discrimination and dehumanization
44:3844 minutes, 38 secondsuh of another people group so that you can actually weaponize an ideology a settler colonial ideology to displace
44:4644 minutes, 46 secondsthe population the natural population there who's been there before the Ottoman Empire way before and we know
44:5344 minutes, 53 secondsthat there are people who in Israel who are Jewish who actually sold their entire business to fund DNA studies is to actually show that a lot of these
45:0245 minutes, 2 secondsPalestinians actually have a guanic DNA, a priestly high priest DNA. And I know such testimonies that were done by the
45:0845 minutes, 8 secondsHebrew BAM University and so on. And um I have a friend in Perth, Western Australia, who actually can uh testify
45:1645 minutes, 16 secondsto what you are saying because um his grandfather, three brothers, one was killed, one went to America and the
45:2345 minutes, 23 secondsother one came to Perth and um they left and the land is still named after their surname. I wouldn't douge their surname,
45:3245 minutes, 32 secondsbut that land in the Israel is actually called the land, the village of Al Damuni. A L D M O U N I al Damuni. So it's a real land uh with real people.
45:4445 minutes, 44 secondsMost of it has been displaced as you mentioned uh in a very uh painful uh discriminating uh dehumanizing
45:5345 minutes, 53 secondsexperience. Um I'm glad you talk about that because for years um even now the Japanese um YouTubers and bloggers
46:0146 minutes, 1 secondthey've gone to you know he and they talk about this discrimination and throwing of bottles and so on and we still got very blueeyed Christian
46:1046 minutes, 10 secondsZionist who say that there's nothing like that you know they hear that Christian uh everything in Israel is honky dory that's the Australian term
46:1746 minutes, 17 secondsfor everything is mazoto everything is good sweet and there's nothing wrong you know Everybody is
46:2446 minutes, 24 secondstreated well. We all sing um Wing Matilda together and have our champagne together. But that's not what happened because we saw Ben Go recently um
46:3446 minutes, 34 secondstoasting champagne at the passing of the law, the death penalty law for Palestinian prisoners, 10,000 of them.
46:4046 minutes, 40 secondsyou know um it's a very not just dehumanizing but a very murderous tone um that I'm um seeing uh that comes out
46:5046 minutes, 50 secondsfrom you although you have not explained that but um you know seems like in a nutshell for those of you and the numbers I keep cranking up for those of
46:5746 minutes, 57 secondsyou have just joined us now and in the future who are listening in to this gripping testimony firsthand account uh
47:0347 minutes, 3 secondsfrom a brother who um uh left Judaism left Zionism and we haven't clarified the Judaism Zionism connection
47:1047 minutes, 10 secondsBut we also haven't talked about that special person who actually uh helped you through your crack to come to Christianity and to come to Yeshua.
47:1947 minutes, 19 secondsWe'll talk about that later. But essentially to summarize that first 45 minutes, um you mentioned that from the time you were born, you were born to this system of propaganda and ideology.
47:3147 minutes, 31 secondsuh the settler colonial ideology back in the written time of the 1880s and Japeteski or whatever that you mentioned
47:3947 minutes, 39 secondsyou know that um the mentor of the current BN you know and um it this propaganda actually goes from primary school to secondary school to the
47:4747 minutes, 47 secondsuniversity level when you were in yeshiva and you belong to this religious Zionist group of 20% uh powerful
47:5547 minutes, 55 secondsbaseball playing pizza eating people from Canada just kidding right but u but essentially I know that you you you you are telling us that you know um people
48:0248 minutes, 2 secondsare coming back they're making aliyah and they are settling there it's not just in little caravans but it's entire suburbs like Australia
48:1148 minutes, 11 secondslike mount kiara in Singapore like Bishan and woodlands and yishun in Singapore sang bungal entire towns are
48:1948 minutes, 19 secondscreated with infrastructure and you mentioned and highlighted that two tier society where for you to get from earth
48:2648 minutes, 26 secondsto Jerusalem is 34 and 1/2 minutes but for them it may be 7 hours and it all depends on the whims and fancies of who is in charge of that day.
48:3548 minutes, 35 secondsMhm.
48:3648 minutes, 36 secondsThank you so much. So now we move to part two. Perhaps we can change gear a little bit. Now um when we first met and I met you on Instagram and for those of
48:4548 minutes, 45 secondsyou have just joined, you know, if you go to Daniel Klein, Daniel Klein has got a substack. Uh there's three levels.
48:5048 minutes, 50 secondsThere's a paid and a free and a monthly and a yearly. Uh please support Daniel's writings because he does some amazing
48:5748 minutes, 57 secondsinsights. uh and um I think you apostle Paul of the 21st century because u the things that you write from the old testament and the new testament and um
49:0549 minutes, 5 secondsyou are actually uh mikop plus more because you're not just a humanitarian um but you are also a believer of the
49:1349 minutes, 13 secondsway Yeshua so I think you're um you're one of us you know um there is no wall of division within us we we sense that
49:2149 minutes, 21 secondskinship and brotherhood from the moment when we met you and um you know that's really something that um flows within our spirit and we connect just like two
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondstwins in the womb that starts to high-fi each other and do fist bumps with the mom like the Bible Elizabeth and Mary.
49:3549 minutes, 35 secondsYeah. So now um you talk about your days of propaganda you were now before we move to your conversion story tell us a
49:4349 minutes, 43 secondsbit about your your days in the army uh like you saying that you come you come from the town of you are privileged we get that you know and um you went to a
49:5249 minutes, 52 secondsreligious university called with a lot of yeshiva and a lot of talmud content with Bible ranking number four uh you also in the army or the military tell us
50:0150 minutes, 1 seconda bit about that well the honestly The process of joining the military in Israel happens from the day you're born.
50:1150 minutes, 11 secondsAnd the well because it's the the the propaganda and the preparation starts from the time
50:1950 minutes, 19 secondsyou come out because everybody has a brother who's a soldier.
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsEverybody has an uncle or a father. And so the the preparation for the military, it's actually a longer journey than just
50:3250 minutes, 32 secondsjoining because in order to get to a situation where everybody joins and asks questions, you have to have a highly sophisticated system. And so, you know,
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondsthe militarization starts from a very young age, whether it's socially, whether it's on Independence Day going to play with the
50:4950 minutes, 49 secondsguns and the tanks and visiting and and and propping all of it up. And then in high school, everybody starts preparing
50:5850 minutes, 58 secondstogether and you start getting invitations from the different units and it becomes a very exciting process. It's
51:0551 minutes, 5 secondsturned into this game and then leading into going to Poland and to the
51:1251 minutes, 12 secondsHolocaust camps in order to prepare you even further. Is that mandatory?
51:1751 minutes, 17 secondsGoing to the Polish uh Holocaust camps, is that mandatory for every male or female or
51:2451 minutes, 24 secondsIt's not mandatory, but it is opt out, I would say. It's not opt in. It's opt out. You opt out. Yeah.
51:3351 minutes, 33 secondsYeah. And the And it's very interesting because the people that opt out, there's this aspect of ostracizing them, right?
51:3951 minutes, 39 secondsWhy would and and I didn't even realize back then that many of the people that were opting out were opting out because they understood that there was something
51:4851 minutes, 48 secondsthat there was propaganda happening because you go there and you're you're covered in Israeli flags and it's it's a
51:5651 minutes, 56 secondsit's a whole fusion of state of Israel with with the Holocaust. And so by the
52:0552 minutes, 5 secondstime by the time you I entered the military, I was already such a deep
52:1252 minutes, 12 secondsbeliever in how in in the idea that I was really that I was a savior of the Jewish people. And the
52:2152 minutes, 21 secondsthing about Israel is that it is fundamentally one of the most fragmented societies in the world other than
52:2852 minutes, 28 secondsmilitarization. The military and war is the unifying glue of the entire state
52:3652 minutes, 36 secondsand the entire project. If it weren't for that, in many ways, the state would fall apart because I believe that as a
52:4352 minutes, 43 secondsJew or as a soldier, I was in many ways superior to the Jews outside of Israel
52:5052 minutes, 50 secondsat the time because this identity was such a such a big and important part of life. And so by the time I I arrived in
52:5852 minutes, 58 secondsthe army, I was already deeply deeply brainwashed into believing that this is the holiest thing that a person could do is is serve in the military.
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsWow.
53:0753 minutes, 7 secondsAnd that it was honestly, you know, my greatest mission in life was to serve.
53:1253 minutes, 12 secondsAnd for me, the military was a deeply disillusioning period because
53:2053 minutes, 20 secondsthe the system itself to me was just madness. And in the military,
53:2753 minutes, 27 secondsI didn't spend much time serving operationally. Most of my time I spent in training, but the only full Arabic
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondssentence I had learned my entire life was in the military. And it was, which means stop, stop, or I shoot.
53:4653 minutes, 46 secondsWow.
53:4653 minutes, 46 secondsUntil that point in my life, I had never really learned any Arabic.
53:5253 minutes, 52 secondsAnd this was the first Arabic that I learned. And since I didn't spend too
53:5953 minutes, 59 secondsmuch time operationally, I will share that other than the disillusionment of the entire system in the military, which I saw um both as highly oppressive and
54:0954 minutes, 9 secondshighly glorifying of state and state propaganda of course and and instilling
54:1654 minutes, 16 secondsobviously hierarchy and the ability to to do things without thinking and without using your head, which is the the core of these kinds of systems. Um,
54:2654 minutes, 26 secondsI had spent a little bit of time in the West Bank, uh, serving in checkpoints and patrolling with jeeps and standing in pillboxes.
54:3654 minutes, 36 secondsAnd for me, I remember Yeah, this is what I'm going to describe that a pillbox is essentially it's a guard tower,
54:4554 minutes, 45 secondsright? that that along the along the fence where you're standing and basically observing
54:5354 minutes, 53 secondseverything that's happening, it essentially looks like a guard tower.
54:5754 minutes, 57 secondsAnd I I remembered that at some point, you know, in the military, a lot of the
55:0455 minutes, 4 secondswork that pe other people certainly are doing, they're stopping Palestinians and asking for their papers, and it becomes
55:1255 minutes, 12 secondsit just becomes second nature. And for me, these were kinds of the moments where I would see the soldiers going up
55:1955 minutes, 19 secondsto somebody and the first question is, "Show me your papers." Wow.
55:2355 minutes, 23 secondsAnd I started to ask myself, "This looks awfully familiar.
55:3055 minutes, 30 secondsWhy is it that there what looks like a ghetto with a wall with a guard tower that looks very much like the guard
55:3855 minutes, 38 secondstowers that I had visited during my my trip to Poland with an armed guard
55:4455 minutes, 44 secondsasking a 65year-old woman to show her papers.
55:4955 minutes, 49 secondsWow. and and the way these papers work, their papers and permits and colors and
55:5655 minutes, 56 secondsit and and this infinite bureaucracy that these soldiers are at this front line of constantly enforcing to the
56:0556 minutes, 5 secondspoint where the ability to ask what am I even doing here and what is this serving
56:1356 minutes, 13 secondsgets completely blurred because most of the work that these people are the soldiers are doing are enforcing the
56:2156 minutes, 21 secondsdaytoday administration and the daytoday um aspect of life. It's not all these
56:2956 minutes, 29 secondsmissions. It's it's how we're in constant contact with a vast civilian population and most of the work that
56:3756 minutes, 37 secondssoldiers have are in the administration of of the contact with civilians. And I
56:4356 minutes, 43 secondsremember one night I was on a patrol in a jeep and we drive up onto a hilltop
56:5156 minutes, 51 secondsand the purpose of our mission was to make our presence known and I remember
57:0057 minutesthat that struck a deep chord in me because we didn't have any operational mission other than terrorizing the local
57:0857 minutes, 8 secondspeople, right? because they needed to know who was the boss in town. Wow.
57:1357 minutes, 13 secondsAnd this system and this form of thinking is exactly what you know how
57:2157 minutes, 21 secondsthe how this this terror is applied. And then as we go deeper into these into these understandings, I started to learn
57:2957 minutes, 29 secondsthat for example, since Israel controls who gets any form of ID, the
57:3657 minutes, 36 secondsPalestinians, in order for a Palestinian to have an ID and to be have personhood in a in a civil sense, they need Israel.
57:4657 minutes, 46 secondsThey their birth registry is connected to Israel. Their ability to get married is connected to Israel. in the identification system, their ability to
57:5557 minutes, 55 secondsleave the West Bank at all is governed by Israel. And so Israel, I learned, could simply do things like, if you want
58:0458 minutes, 4 secondsto leave the West Bank, what is it that you're going to have what what is it that you're going to give Israel in return? Maybe it's spying on your
58:1158 minutes, 11 secondsneighbor. Maybe it's maybe it's any sort of thing, right? And so Israel uses its
58:1858 minutes, 18 secondstotal and absolute control of the Palestinians to manufacture oppression, uh, sorry, manufacture resistance,
58:2758 minutes, 27 secondscontrol resistance, um, create more violent resistance and quash nonviolent resistance. The
58:3558 minutes, 35 secondsPalestinians live in a state where their ability to even think freely has been compromised and hijacked. Right? Before
58:4358 minutes, 43 secondsa Palestinian can even have a thought about something, Israel has the ability to to pick up on it. And this is
58:5358 minutes, 53 secondsconnected to technology, surveillance, artificial intelligence, biometrics, an entire system and machinery that is
59:0259 minutes, 2 secondsdesigned to to enforce this. And these are the kinds of things that I started in the military to get this this
59:0959 minutes, 9 secondsunderstanding of what this what this system truly truly is. But even in the military, the ability to
59:1759 minutes, 17 secondscompartmentalize is is extreme and to and to not to not fully see and to not fully understand.
59:2659 minutes, 26 secondsI I I find it not fascinating. I find it shocking. Uh even though we know and we know and we know cuz we had that aha
59:3459 minutes, 34 secondsmoment since October 7 cuz for many years um you know um I was one of those Christians that carry the flag of Israel
59:4159 minutes, 41 secondson stage and dance to uh um the songs you know secular Israeli folk songs and so on. Uh but then 7 October one one of
59:4959 minutes, 49 secondsthose uh aha moments when the pin literally dropped and we started questioning everything that we believe and turn it inside out and remove our
59:5759 minutes, 57 secondscompartmentalization and silo thinking. I think you talk about that absolute control over the lives of Palestinians, you know, in your
1:00:051 hour, 5 secondslittle peel box, you know, and exerting your right, you know, um I know of stories where, you know, people have actually said that, you know, they
1:00:131 hour, 13 secondsactually live in a house and the checkpoint is just outside the house.
1:00:161 hour, 16 secondsSo, um the son is born there, but the daughter who is married to the family every day is subject to the checkpoint of the PO box, you know, which is totally ridiculous
1:00:251 hour, 25 secondsbecause, you know, it's just a show of power, right? And it it shows that those who are actually under propaganda sometimes they may not see it.
1:00:331 hour, 33 secondsAnd I know it's not time for reflection but the Bible did very clearly say in the book of revelation exit Babylon come
1:00:401 hour, 40 secondsout of her my people. you know uh we've been so uh structured in propaganda sometimes that we cannot see like how
1:00:491 hour, 49 secondscould the most moral freely practicing democracy in Middle East subject her subjects the people of the land the
1:00:581 hour, 58 secondsnaturalized people of the land to uh such dehumanizing discriminating uh existence um from many different ways
1:01:061 hour, 1 minute, 6 secondsand at the same time uh even um discriminate them even on their daytoday affairs as um through military active
1:01:141 hour, 1 minute, 14 secondsduties. I think in Asia you call it national service, you know, but you you were a tank commander as well. Mhm. Yes.
1:01:221 hour, 1 minute, 22 secondsHow did you leave that? Like was that part of your crack moment like um was it one day when you had um enough or cuz
1:01:301 hour, 1 minute, 30 secondsyou also had many crack moments in life from the time when you were 5 years old.
1:01:341 hour, 1 minute, 34 secondsTell us about that story where you told us when we were actually uh um chatted with you the first time about the influence of that very special person in your house who wake up at 3:30.
1:01:451 hour, 1 minute, 45 secondsYes. So uh growing up we had a very very vast library in our home. My
1:01:531 hour, 1 minute, 53 seconds[clears throat] dad was a huge reader and we had a huge collection of books and there were actually two main topics
1:01:591 hour, 1 minute, 59 secondsof book. The first was Zionism and the second topic of course
1:02:061 hour, 2 minutes, 6 secondsand the second topic was Jesus and the Jews.
1:02:101 hour, 2 minutes, 10 secondsAnd so even though our home was deeply deeply rejecting
1:02:171 hour, 2 minutes, 17 secondsof Christ and the idea of Christ um which is really we were just breathing this all the time. My dad was always reading on the about Jesus and the rejection of Jesus.
1:02:301 hour, 2 minutes, 30 secondsAnd so at the same time, even though this is what I was growing up with, we had a woman who lived in our home and
1:02:391 hour, 2 minutes, 39 secondsher name is Ludy. And if you are ever in the Philippines, I can guarantee you that this woman is a living saint and
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondswill be remember will be canonized as such. And Ludy was a woman who I can
1:02:551 hour, 2 minutes, 55 secondsonly describe as being in total and complete service to the Lord every
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 secondssingle moment of her life. And she worked in our home. I mean, I I can't even call her a housekeeper because she was a mother to me. I spent more time
1:03:101 hour, 3 minutes, 10 secondswith her than with my own parents. She took care of us. She cared for us. She loved us. And
1:03:181 hour, 3 minutes, 18 secondsthe thing is that every morning she would get up at about 3:30 in the
1:03:251 hour, 3 minutes, 25 secondsmorning. I she had a whole floor to herself and the light would turn on and
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 secondsvery and so I would, you know, kind of sneak down and see what was going on.
1:03:391 hour, 3 minutes, 39 secondsand 3:30 in the morning, she's she's already up and her new her gospel is
1:03:451 hour, 3 minutes, 45 secondsopen and she's reading and every single moment that she wasn't in in service to
1:03:531 hour, 3 minutes, 53 secondsus. And I mean in service just in terms of just being with an open heart. She was in service to the Lord, but ultimately she was in service to the
1:04:001 hour, 4 minutesLord all of the time. This was her embodied being. And same thing at night and on weekends she was uh leading a community in Jerusalem.
1:04:101 hour, 4 minutes, 10 secondsA woman of very very few words. And for me there was always this curiosity because I I could see and contrast the
1:04:191 hour, 4 minutes, 19 secondsrabbitic Judaism that I was growing up with with what I was seeing in this in this woman and in her absolute devotion.
1:04:281 hour, 4 minutes, 28 secondsBut the journey to even understand that there was a living saint in my home took 33
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 secondsyears until I had my own my own reckoning and my own discovery of Christ. I didn't even realize that she was there as a guardian angel all along.
1:04:491 hour, 4 minutes, 49 secondsAnd maybe that brings me back to the home that I grew up in and what the rejection of Christ means and looks like
1:04:581 hour, 4 minutes, 58 secondsbefore I even had the words to understand before I even had the words to understand that because I was still of the mind at the time that Ludy in our
1:05:081 hour, 5 minutes, 8 secondshome was involved in idol worship. Mind you, she was very respectful. She never not once did she uh did she try to
1:05:161 hour, 5 minutes, 16 secondsconvert. She did not utter a single word ever about about Christ or about
1:05:261 hour, 5 minutes, 26 secondsno pro uh proitizing and she didn't need to say a single word and that was the beauty of it. Wow.
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsShe didn't need to. It was her presence. Wow.
1:05:351 hour, 5 minutes, 35 secondsAnd and it was her presence and even though it took 33 years eventually I realized what was there all along.
1:05:441 hour, 5 minutes, 44 secondsPraise God. Wow. the earliest cracks for me because for me the story of Zionism
1:05:501 hour, 5 minutes, 50 secondsand Judaism and Christ uh none of these stories are
1:05:571 hour, 5 minutes, 57 secondsare disconnected. They are all at the core the same story. The inside, the inner journey and the outer journey are
1:06:061 hour, 6 minutes, 6 secondsall connected and in many ways they're inseparable.
1:06:101 hour, 6 minutes, 10 secondsGrowing up though at some level I realized that Zionism was actually the religion the overarching religion that
1:06:181 hour, 6 minutes, 18 secondswe were a part of and Judaism was really just a branch of Zionism in terms of how it is that we grew up. the religion that
1:06:261 hour, 6 minutes, 26 secondspeople hold is Zionism and that's why you can have Christian Zionists and that's why you can have uh Jewish
1:06:341 hour, 6 minutes, 34 secondsZionist because Zionism is the ultimate ism and so the it took me a lot longer
1:06:411 hour, 6 minutes, 41 secondsto come out and to see Zionism and I actually made call it faster work of
1:06:481 hour, 6 minutes, 48 secondsrecognizing rabbitic Judaism and so from the young age of four or 5 years old, I
1:06:551 hour, 6 minutes, 55 secondsalready started to break the rules of Shabbat when nobody was looking. Really, as a very, very little kid, if I needed
1:07:021 hour, 7 minutes, 2 secondsto go to the bathroom and the light was off and nobody was looking, I would turn the light on and and I wasn't struck by lightning.
1:07:101 hour, 7 minutes, 10 secondsYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
1:07:121 hour, 7 minutes, 12 secondsAnd so, I started to see that all of these rules were man-made. I can sense it. And I could sense that all of the
1:07:191 hour, 7 minutes, 19 secondsadults around me were performing these rules without asking the deeper
1:07:251 hour, 7 minutes, 25 secondsquestions about well why so many of these rules don't make sense to me. Can
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondsanybody explain how God told us that we can't lend with interest and yet we all lend with interest because we found a
1:07:401 hour, 7 minutes, 40 secondsloophole. And I started to ask these questions and I realized from a very young age that it wasn't safe to ask
1:07:481 hour, 7 minutes, 48 secondsthese questions because in these kinds of highindoctrination environments including rabbitic Judaism
1:07:571 hour, 7 minutes, 57 secondsfor a child to push back on these things means that you're going to get rejected.
1:08:011 hour, 8 minutes, 1 secondYou're going to get punished. You're going to the your parents love and safety is going to can be withheld from
1:08:081 hour, 8 minutes, 8 secondsyou. And so I had to learn to hide what it is that I was truly feeling and
1:08:141 hour, 8 minutes, 14 secondsseeing about this about this religion that was based on all of these man-made laws while completely missing what I saw as the essence and as as truth.
1:08:271 hour, 8 minutes, 27 secondsBut I had to hide all of it.
1:08:291 hour, 8 minutes, 29 secondsWow. And what I when when you start to hide a real part of yourself and you start to create more
1:08:371 hour, 8 minutes, 37 secondsand more masks and lies and illusions, you need to maintain all of those things
1:08:441 hour, 8 minutes, 44 secondsin order to uh to be safe and to be accepted in your community. And the same applies for Judaism. And in many ways,
1:08:521 hour, 8 minutes, 52 secondsthe same mechanisms also apply for Zionism. Because I'll actually just fast forward and say quickly that for me the
1:09:001 hour, 9 minutescost of speaking out against and and telling the truth in my in my life was disconnection from my family, the loss
1:09:091 hour, 9 minutes, 9 secondsof proximity to my two daughters. Um you know, and we'll get to it later too, but you know, I lost my marriage, I
1:09:161 hour, 9 minutes, 16 secondseverything came from, you know, sharing these things. And so the the cost of being honest is very very severe in these systems.
1:09:261 hour, 9 minutes, 26 secondsAnd a as I moved through many many years of
1:09:331 hour, 9 minutes, 33 secondsof this of hiding myself and how I was truly thinking, you know, I went into my first marriage and I was still
1:09:401 hour, 9 minutes, 40 secondspretending to be a religious Jew on the outside even though I didn't, you know, I didn't really fundamentally believe it anymore.
1:09:491 hour, 9 minutes, 49 secondsAnd you know eventually all of this hiding and all of this lying to myself and to others you know led me down this
1:09:571 hour, 9 minutes, 57 secondspath of of you know committing the deepest sins and the deepest the deepest transgressions. And at some point I had
1:10:061 hour, 10 minutes, 6 secondsto sit with with the understanding of or grappling with how could these things
1:10:131 hour, 10 minutes, 13 secondshave happened to me and how can I how can I forgive my how can I forgive myself and how can I make amends for all of these things and
1:10:211 hour, 10 minutes, 21 secondswhether it's the palace whether it was what was happening on the outside and or whether it was my personal transgressions towards other people and
1:10:321 hour, 10 minutes, 32 secondseventually I realized that the only way and the only the only way out I realized was by telling the truth to all of the
1:10:391 hour, 10 minutes, 39 secondspeople that I had hurt and to take responsibility and accountability for what I did and and how it is that I
1:10:481 hour, 10 minutes, 48 secondshurt them. And so I went on this journey of of sharing sharing this truth with
1:10:541 hour, 10 minutes, 54 secondseveryone in my life to and what I realized or what I what started happening was um everything in my life
1:11:021 hour, 11 minutes, 2 secondsstarted imploding one thing after another. Um, I lost my my marriage and then my daughters and in this process I
1:11:111 hour, 11 minutes, 11 secondsyou know I gave away I I basically just surrendered everything that I own in this process of here I am naked
1:11:201 hour, 11 minutes, 20 secondsand take everything uh the only thing that matters is the truth and keeping my heart open. And at this time at this
1:11:291 hour, 11 minutes, 29 secondstime I still hadn't encountered the gospel but I had I had intuitively understood that the process of telling
1:11:371 hour, 11 minutes, 37 secondsthe truth taking accountability owning the consequences because even though there is grace that does not mean
1:11:451 hour, 11 minutes, 45 secondsthat there are not consequences in real life.
1:11:471 hour, 11 minutes, 47 secondsYes. but keeping my heart open the entire time while my entire life started completely uh collapsing around me.
1:11:581 hour, 11 minutes, 58 secondsThat's when I encountered the gospel.
1:12:011 hour, 12 minutes, 1 secondAnd when I opened the gospel, I very quickly understood and realized that the gospel is not a book that I was reading.
1:12:121 hour, 12 minutes, 12 secondsIt was an experience that I was having.
1:12:161 hour, 12 minutes, 16 secondsAnd not only did I recognize that I was moving through the experience, it also
1:12:231 hour, 12 minutes, 23 secondsexplained everything that I had seen in my life up until this moment. All of my questions about um you know, rabbitic
1:12:301 hour, 12 minutes, 30 secondsJudaism and Zionism and all of the things were were answered black on white. But more deeply, what I
1:12:381 hour, 12 minutes, 38 secondsrecognized was that for me, the recognition of Christ was not a was not
1:12:461 hour, 12 minutes, 46 secondsa conversion of belief. It wasn't switching one belief for a new belief.
1:12:511 hour, 12 minutes, 51 secondsChrist for me was a discovery. Christ was the discovery of what happens when
1:12:581 hour, 12 minutes, 58 secondsyou finally confront and finally face everything that everything that I had hidden, everything
1:13:061 hour, 13 minutes, 6 secondsthat I had believed and deconstructed everything in my life and surrendering all of it and keeping my heart open and
1:13:151 hour, 13 minutes, 15 secondswhat remained in the ashes of this process was Christ.
1:13:211 hour, 13 minutes, 21 secondsHallelujah. and the direct knowing and the direct experience. And so this was a very long journey. So Ludy in my home
1:13:291 hour, 13 minutes, 29 secondswas you know the the beginning and this all happened in my 33rd year of life of course.
1:13:361 hour, 13 minutes, 36 secondsYes. Uh and um but then this is what started to also give me the
1:13:441 hour, 13 minutes, 44 secondsnext layer of courage and strength because oh you're if you're pulling it up here there's actually a uh one of the
1:13:531 hour, 13 minutes, 53 secondsstories there is called fearing for my life.
1:13:551 hour, 13 minutes, 55 secondsThat's right because as I started awakening as I started awakening
1:14:021 hour, 14 minutes, 2 secondsI was just reading this last night. Oh, so there you go.
1:14:061 hour, 14 minutes, 6 secondsAnd and it was like, you know, to a lot of our listeners now and in the future, they think that, you know, man, it's just another Zoom meeting that I'll come
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 secondsand at 9:00 I'll rush to another Zoom until I fall asleep at 12 midnight. And you probably see a few of them lying in a bed with little sofas. But uh I just
1:14:221 hour, 14 minutes, 22 secondswant to iterate the seriousness of tonight's testimony. And then it cost uh Christ everything, but it also cost Daniel, brother Daniel Klein,
1:14:301 hour, 14 minutes, 30 secondseverything. He lost his family. uh he lost his children uh access to his children and he lost everything uh in exchange for the pearl of great price
1:14:391 hour, 14 minutes, 39 secondsYeshua and uh praise God um uh or propaganda systems machinery indoctrination everything in the whole
1:14:481 hour, 14 minutes, 48 secondsuh uh uh macro system that he is in uh from primary school from the day of birth to yeshiva to 10 commander could
1:14:551 hour, 14 minutes, 55 secondsnot subjugate him to the powers of propaganda but Christ came that he was set free and He talks about this. You
1:15:031 hour, 15 minutes, 3 secondsmust read this. He say, "Growing up in the settlement room, looking at the dockets prepared by ex intelligent personnel devoted to hunting down
1:15:111 hour, 15 minutes, 11 secondsanti-ionist." So, you know, and um you must read this, but um um I just want to make a reflection before you continue, Daniel,
1:15:191 hour, 15 minutes, 19 secondscuz you talk about you doing the night duty in the peel box and pushing fear into the so-called
1:15:271 hour, 15 minutes, 27 secondsArabs, but they are Palestinians. uh and they are real Palestinian passports back in the 1930s and they are real people a middle class except they don't they
1:15:341 hour, 15 minutes, 34 secondsdon't have army and the same thing is happening in your home you your parents were subjugating you to
1:15:411 hour, 15 minutes, 41 secondsfear but you had the privilege of eating pizza having baseball and growing up in a privileged environment uh but you also
1:15:491 hour, 15 minutes, 49 secondsdid the same thing uh perpetuating that system uh of propaganda to the people around you in the pebox in your military
1:15:571 hour, 15 minutes, 57 secondsdays so I See the parallel there that yes the mode of operation is different but the end result is the same and that
1:16:061 hour, 16 minutes, 6 secondsis to push you into the world of fear deeper and deeper and glorifying things that are not like military service as
1:16:131 hour, 16 minutes, 13 secondsthe best thing that happens since sliced bread. Um but that is um um so sad you know but um for those of you who are
1:16:201 hour, 16 minutes, 20 secondswatching now and in the future I highly encourage you to go to Daniel Klein uh not the other Daniel Klein this good one Truth and Reconciliation Daniel Klein
1:16:281 hour, 16 minutes, 28 secondsFreedom from Zionism there's his books on Amazon that you can buy um to support and if you can't sleep tonight after listening to this testimony or any of
1:16:361 hour, 16 minutes, 36 secondsyou in the future or or anyone in the Philippines who is listening to this who are Christians who has been silent influencers in homes where you serve in
1:16:451 hour, 16 minutes, 45 secondsthe Middle is in Singapore, in Malaysia and Australia. I just want to say thank you and to the person who introduced Daniel Klein to us starting with the
1:16:531 hour, 16 minutes, 53 secondsname V uh who is very shy. Uh I also just want to say to Raba to thank you because Daniel we were connected to you
1:17:001 hour, 17 minutesuh through a sister in Christ who suddenly had a aha moment is like hang on everything that I've been told is a
1:17:081 hour, 17 minutes, 8 secondslie and she quickly embraced everything and she discovered you on somewhere on the internet surfing through you know
1:17:161 hour, 17 minutes, 16 secondsand um and praise God that um we are connected and um you know I think this system uh did not hold you in. So you
1:17:241 hour, 17 minutes, 24 secondsyou just talk about your days um that that silent witness in your house despite of all the propaganda machinery
1:17:321 hour, 17 minutes, 32 secondsis doing and that took you 33 years. In fact, you say it's long, but I would say praise God that you actually um like a
1:17:411 hour, 17 minutes, 41 secondsmissile that actually ejected out of the orbit.
1:17:441 hour, 17 minutes, 44 secondsYeah, that that's almost as fast as it gets. It takes people sometimes 70 years to to get half as far in terms of deprogramming and suddenly it just happens.
1:17:531 hour, 17 minutes, 53 secondsIt's Holy Spirit. I say that Holy Spirit lifts the veil and because because it's no amount of
1:18:001 hour, 18 minutesinformation can change a person's mind when the program and the nervous system is designed to reject all information that doesn't perpetuate the cycle.
1:18:111 hour, 18 minutes, 11 secondsHallelujah.
1:18:121 hour, 18 minutes, 12 secondsThere's a moment where Holy Spirit lifts the veil.
1:18:141 hour, 18 minutes, 14 secondsHallelujah. Praise God. And only the Holy Spirit, only the Rohakadesh can uh open up blind eyes. I just want
1:18:231 hour, 18 minutes, 23 secondsto thank you, brother Daniel. We haven't finished yet, but you know, to to say that uh in a spiritual and prophetic manner, I pray and declare in the name
1:18:311 hour, 18 minutes, 31 secondsof Yeshua, that more people will come out of this blindness of their blind allegiance to the ism of Zionism and the
1:18:401 hour, 18 minutes, 40 secondsism of Christian Zionism. out of which there's one proponent big player in America uh that you call are driving uh
1:18:481 hour, 18 minutes, 48 secondsthat uh donation and the bank account checks and the money and the ATM slips uh into supporting um what we now know
1:18:561 hour, 18 minutes, 56 secondsas something that is um very dark very heinous is a human settler colonial
1:19:031 hour, 19 minutes, 3 secondsideology and I think for those of you who are on the chat I've just released a document that's written by an academic
1:19:101 hour, 19 minutes, 10 secondsabout uh the reflection on professor Omar Bau who actually wrote a book about how not directly but how Zionism is this
1:19:191 hour, 19 minutes, 19 secondssystem that actually under the guise of everything for the safety of national safety and so on actually redirects the
1:19:251 hour, 19 minutes, 25 secondsenergy of her citizens uh into such um indoctrination and uh uh outcomes of
1:19:321 hour, 19 minutes, 32 secondsdiscrimination and uh dehumanization. Uh now um we've talked about your days in the propaganda. We talk about your PO
1:19:401 hour, 19 minutes, 40 secondsbox and thank you for sharing that beautiful moment after 33 years uh and a glimpse of what happens in your house.
1:19:481 hour, 19 minutes, 48 secondsHow that domestic helper in the house who woke up at 3:30 who never procelite you who never say a good word that Jesus love you but through her lifestyle she
1:19:571 hour, 19 minutes, 57 secondsbecame a silent witness and God through the Holy Spirit um allow that crack to become a full-blown uh fruit tree of
1:20:051 hour, 20 minutes, 5 secondsrighteousness in you. Psalms chapter one. So I just want to thank you. But now I just have two uh current things.
1:20:131 hour, 20 minutes, 13 secondsUm I know we have some questions but last night I think um and last year when I was in Singapore a lot of people have
1:20:201 hour, 20 minutes, 20 secondsconfusion about uh Israelite, Jewish, Hebrew and Israeli. That's one. The other one that is even more serious is
1:20:281 hour, 20 minutes, 28 secondsum now we know that uh a lot of Christians believe um and um they say that um you know Israel deserve uh the
1:20:381 hour, 20 minutes, 38 secondsright to exist because of all her enemies. Uh but now um we'll put that to telegram sister
1:20:461 hour, 20 minutes, 46 secondsand there's no issue with that. um is a technological issue but um [snorts] there is something that I wanted to um sick pick your brain and and and that is
1:20:551 hour, 20 minutes, 55 secondsum you mentioned in the latest interview that you had and that is this greater Israel project. So we'll first go to
1:21:031 hour, 21 minutes, 3 secondsthat you know the terminologies because a lot of people when they look at a piece a plate of noodle you know in Asia we call it chagu they say well
1:21:111 hour, 21 minutes, 11 secondseverything that has chu looks nice or duran you know every durian is nice know there's D24 there's musang king there's black duran you know so when Christians
1:21:201 hour, 21 minutes, 20 secondslook at Israel they open up their wallet and their bank account and they pour up the gold teeth and the nugget everything to support everything that people ask
1:21:281 hour, 21 minutes, 28 secondsthem to support. But now increasingly when we hear your story, your firsthand lived experience of a privileged person
1:21:351 hour, 21 minutes, 35 secondsin a settler uh town that is not made by cample. Um how does this uh old
1:21:421 hour, 21 minutes, 42 secondstestament Israelites uh Hebrew uh being a Jew and then the modern Israeli because you mentioned 20% of the population in Israel are actually
1:21:501 hour, 21 minutes, 50 secondsreligious Zionist and there are Arabs, there are Palestines, there are the Cruz people. So Israel is not a mono population demographic.
1:22:011 hour, 22 minutes, 1 secondYeah. Very absolutely not. Many many ethnicities, many many different groups of people. And honestly, this is
1:22:091 hour, 22 minutes, 9 secondssomething that in many ways I'm still struggling with because we're living through the tower of Babel. Wow.
1:22:151 hour, 22 minutes, 15 secondsAnd so it's very hard to even understand what are all of the terms referring to.
1:22:221 hour, 22 minutes, 22 secondsSo um what what is who is a Jew? Who is not a Jew? Because it can't be blood, right? Because as we learned, you know,
1:22:311 hour, 22 minutes, 31 secondsyou can't say I am the son of Abraham, right? God can raise the son of Abraham from a stone. This is not this is not a genetic thing. So all of
1:22:391 hour, 22 minutes, 39 secondsthe people that are claiming to be Jewish um through genetic birthright, I believe this is a very very suspect
1:22:481 hour, 22 minutes, 48 secondsclaim, right? because it's all about what is the true true choseness in the body of Christ, right? And so I think that we're living in a time where there
1:22:561 hour, 22 minutes, 56 secondsis a lot of confusion and people are appealing to the to the name in order to receive the benefit without
1:23:051 hour, 23 minutes, 5 secondsunderstanding the underlying nature of what each one of these words mean. And it's designed in order to to confuse us.
1:23:151 hour, 23 minutes, 15 secondsAnd so I can't I can't be the one to say what exactly is each thing. All I can know is that it's designed to confuse
1:23:221 hour, 23 minutes, 22 secondspeople to avoid recognizing uh truth.
1:23:281 hour, 23 minutes, 28 secondsYeah, you're right. uh such a wise uh response cuz I think at this juncture I just want to share about the two wise
1:23:351 hour, 23 minutes, 35 secondsmen and foolish men you know cuz um the foolish men will go to the latest fat itching to hear some new sensational stuff novel new ideas and facts just
1:23:441 hour, 23 minutes, 44 secondslike in the days of the Greek civilization the Roman civilization uh they need their daily pseudo spiritual dopamine heat and um they need to have
1:23:531 hour, 23 minutes, 53 secondsum a lot of new information and uh they subscribe and like you said you know um they are harnessed
1:23:591 hour, 23 minutes, 59 secondsuh to be uh allegiance to um some form of ism. But I think we need to be like King Solomon, listen with a hearing
1:24:091 hour, 24 minutes, 9 secondsheart. What a powerful um uh statement that is, you know, a heart that he is, you know, to listen uh to the voice of
1:24:181 hour, 24 minutes, 18 secondsthe downtrodden. Uh because the foundation of the um kingdom when King David was the lord of God. Israel back
1:24:261 hour, 24 minutes, 26 secondsthen was a theocracy under God covenant with the most high God.
1:24:331 hour, 24 minutes, 33 secondsUh it's not a lawless society because um and that's the reason why King Solomon says I could ask for this and that and a
1:24:421 hour, 24 minutes, 42 secondsnice right one lawn mower but no I'm not or a new baseball bat but I want to ask for a hearing heart to be sensitive to
1:24:481 hour, 24 minutes, 48 secondsthe Holy Spirit and to be truthful in my living and my believing. I think that is so important and I think that um when
1:24:571 hour, 24 minutes, 57 secondspeople support blindly they actually subject themselves to pain and years of what we call um you know um uh eronous
1:25:061 hour, 25 minutes, 6 secondsuh understanding of God's word which is um uh not fruitful and edifying um you know to the body of Christ and it's like
1:25:151 hour, 25 minutes, 15 secondsthe cancer of these isms you know Zionism is another ism you know and just like legalism which Christ pointed to in
1:25:231 hour, 25 minutes, 23 secondsthe book from Matthew chapter 23 and chapter 24. The seven woes. Woe unto you. Woe unto you. Woe unto you for seven times. You brute of wipers. You
1:25:321 hour, 25 minutes, 32 secondswhitewash tombs. You murderers of prophets. You know, Christ has the strongest language chosen intentionally
1:25:401 hour, 25 minutes, 40 secondsuh to respond to the Pharisees and the scribes of his day. And I think I'm going to make a strong statement. The fairy psycho spirit never left town.
1:25:521 hour, 25 minutes, 52 secondsIt flows through the ages and today and in different ages different spirits manifest again just
1:25:591 hour, 25 minutes, 59 secondslike they say you know in Australia there is no idolary people do not worship gods but they are idolatry sports is idolatory it's part of the
1:26:061 hour, 26 minutes, 6 secondsRoman circus you know entertainment is an idolatry getting yourself beautiful and taking 59 selfies is an idol you
1:26:141 hour, 26 minutes, 14 secondsknow last time when we so-called men land on the moon you know we took 12 pictures today if you go to the toilet you take 59 pictures That's that's
1:26:221 hour, 26 minutes, 22 secondsself-indulgence and idolatry. Now coming to the next question. Um I know that they said Israel deserved
1:26:301 hour, 26 minutes, 30 secondsher right to exist and that's one of the five things I think you did so well tonight uh Daniel cuz um we actually uh
1:26:371 hour, 26 minutes, 37 secondsI believe that what I mentioned just now was uh a lot of statements that people actually um you know Christian Zionist
1:26:441 hour, 26 minutes, 44 secondsand Christians in general Israel has a right to exist. She has lots of existential crisis is the most moral army in the world. We have addressed
1:26:521 hour, 26 minutes, 52 secondsthat that you know there's the dehumanizing displacement and discrimination from travel to monitoring
1:26:591 hour, 26 minutes, 59 secondsto exerting power and control over a helpless people you know and definitely not the treatment of the same and there um there's no Palestinian there is I
1:27:081 hour, 27 minutes, 8 secondsthink there's a usage of different terminology instead of Nakbar there was transfer and you talk about all these things um but there is something and
1:27:161 hour, 27 minutes, 16 secondsthat is um current uh October 7 was the war Um now there is one friend of mine
1:27:251 hour, 27 minutes, 25 secondsin Perth and I hope he's listening now or in the future. He says that you know um um the Hamas deserve to die. Now we
1:27:341 hour, 27 minutes, 34 secondsare not again we are not for violence any form of violence and genocide regardless of it being performed by
1:27:411 hour, 27 minutes, 41 secondsnation ABCD or people group of ABCD EFG we condemn because every life is sacred.
1:27:471 hour, 27 minutes, 47 secondsUh the true religion even in Judaism tikun Olam is to heal the world. And when Jesus just before he died on the cross, one of his disciples actually
1:27:561 hour, 27 minutes, 56 secondstook out the swat and wanted to slice off the year of Donald Trump, I mean sorry the year of the servant of the high priest, you know. And Jesus says
1:28:041 hour, 28 minutes, 4 secondsput your swat back because he who used the swat will die by the swat. Now coming to this um thing about Hamas. Um if it is evil, we need to eradicate it.
1:28:141 hour, 28 minutes, 14 secondsif he has killed babies, we need to um um have a justice uh for the citizens and to defend the country. But now we're
1:28:231 hour, 28 minutes, 23 secondstalking about this project called greater Israel. Mhm.
1:28:281 hour, 28 minutes, 28 secondsIt's no longer about the sub the existence of Israel, but is actually um uh in the greater region. We first saw
1:28:351 hour, 28 minutes, 35 secondsthat on the batch whether it's real or not, whether it's a fake picture. But I think that um this idea of a greater issue now there's some video clips on
1:28:441 hour, 28 minutes, 44 secondsthe internet about those early days when this was talked about and today we certainly see this um uh increasingly
1:28:521 hour, 28 minutes, 52 secondsprobably um being exercised. I do not know for one of a better word but um is that something that you like to comment?
1:29:011 hour, 29 minutes, 1 secondYeah, it's very it's very interesting in it's when you are in these systems the I
1:29:091 hour, 29 minutes, 9 secondswould say that the cog doesn't see the machine or the cell in a body doesn't see the body right
1:29:171 hour, 29 minutes, 17 secondsand so what is happening on the ground is that people do not have a full awareness of
1:29:241 hour, 29 minutes, 24 secondsthis yet however politicians and people in high levels of systems are
1:29:311 hour, 29 minutes, 31 secondsalready talking about the greater Israel project which is the expansion of Israel to its biblical
1:29:411 hour, 29 minutes, 41 secondsborders. But I actually would say something further than that. So the the biggest biblical borders in Israel
1:29:481 hour, 29 minutes, 48 secondsinclude land up to Turkey, Lebanon, um Jordan, um you know parts of Iraq.
1:29:581 hour, 29 minutes, 58 secondsBut Israel doesn't have that many people. Israel can't settle all of these places with people. But it can use other
1:30:071 hour, 30 minutes, 7 secondsforms of control. Right? So Israel is deeply part of what it is that I learned along this journey is that the oppressor
1:30:171 hour, 30 minutes, 17 secondscreates resistance. And if there is not natural resistance to the oppressor, the oppressor will manufacture it. And
1:30:261 hour, 30 minutes, 26 secondsIsrael is deeply involved in creating chaos and from manufacturing the chaos
1:30:331 hour, 30 minutes, 33 secondsthen creating more and more control. And so politicians at the highest level are already talking about how to
1:30:421 hour, 30 minutes, 42 secondsum expand expand influence infiltrate the different governments in order to make them Zionist. And many of Israel's neighboring states have Zionist leaders.
1:30:541 hour, 30 minutes, 54 secondsEven if the people are not Zionists, the leaders are Zionists and they're aligned with the goals of Zionism of control and expansion.
1:31:031 hour, 31 minutes, 3 secondsAnd this is being talked about at the highest levels. And there's already a shift in consciousness in Israel. For example, um well, the settlement of Lebanon.
1:31:131 hour, 31 minutes, 13 secondsIsrael has been working on the plans to settle Lebanon since the 1940s, and now they're they're conquering southern
1:31:221 hour, 31 minutes, 22 secondsLebanon and expanding into it. the plans are moving forward to cleanse uh to
1:31:281 hour, 31 minutes, 28 secondsfully cleanse Gaza. Um so these are plans that are that are moving along at very at very high levels
1:31:361 hour, 31 minutes, 36 secondsthat are spoken about at the highest levels.
1:31:391 hour, 31 minutes, 39 secondsThere is no uh traveling route from Gaza to Bethlehem and Jerusalem on Google map at the moment.
1:31:461 hour, 31 minutes, 46 secondsIt's not a concentration camp.
1:31:501 hour, 31 minutes, 50 secondsYeah, exactly. Yeah. There's no traveling route, you know. Um there's no like from point A to point B, you know, like from Ephra to Jerusalem. Yes, there
1:31:571 hour, 31 minutes, 57 secondsis 35 minutes by highway or if you're Palestinian 7 hours. So you can't sell your milk there because we do know whether it's half an hour or 7 hours and
1:32:051 hour, 32 minutes, 5 secondsthe milk will become curd you know but there is no road you know and um we began to have that understanding and
1:32:121 hour, 32 minutes, 12 secondsrealization and uh thanks to your testimony tonight uh the first fruit I think um there are people here that are
1:32:211 hour, 32 minutes, 21 secondsactually starting to um awake and I just want to share with you um one of those
1:32:271 hour, 32 minutes, 27 secondsum uh stories here uh that will bless your heart, brother Daniel. Uh for waking up at 4:30, I think this will
1:32:351 hour, 32 minutes, 35 secondstruly bless your heart. I have removed the name of this person uh so as to um not identify her. But brother Daniel, I
1:32:421 hour, 32 minutes, 42 secondshope that it has worth your effort. Uh by the way, we also have the grandson of a rabbi in Perth uh who's actually listening intently to you and I think
1:32:501 hour, 32 minutes, 50 secondsI've introduced you to you at some point during our opening chat as well. Now, from this person, thank you so much, brother Daniel, for your testimony or
1:32:581 hour, 32 minutes, 58 secondsDaniel. I have been a Christian Zionist for decades.
1:33:011 hour, 33 minutes, 1 secondBut in the last few months, the ruach, the Holy Spirit has brought teaching which challenges my belief and turned them upside down. You have confirmed
1:33:111 hour, 33 minutes, 11 secondsthese teachings. I found hard to believe. Goes back to our mores prayer that if we have wrongly believe, we need to toua and repent and say sorry God.
1:33:211 hour, 33 minutes, 21 secondsBut I thank the spirit of truth. He who the son set free will be free indeed for his correction and humbling blessings to
1:33:301 hour, 33 minutes, 30 secondsyou and your truthful ministry. Father in heaven I just want to thank you for this beautiful admission. I pray that
1:33:401 hour, 33 minutes, 40 secondsthis sisters uh eyes that are opened may there be a million such sisters and brothers and family and households who
1:33:481 hour, 33 minutes, 48 secondsused to unapologetically wholeheartedly erroneously subscribe and
1:33:551 hour, 33 minutes, 55 secondssupport the heinous ideology of Zionism.
1:34:031 hour, 34 minutes, 3 secondsWe haven't finished, but I just thought this is a beautiful moment to pause and to thank you uh for your time. I know
1:34:111 hour, 34 minutes, 11 secondsthis is slightly different from some of the channels that you have done with Jay Slay and so on, but um uh uh this truly
1:34:171 hour, 34 minutes, 17 secondsis a ministry. Um we don't sell goal or multi-level marketing. We just focus on you know um bringing the word of God to
1:34:251 hour, 34 minutes, 25 secondspeople and sometimes like tonight uh we just want to um bring and this has been 8 years project in the making. So those
1:34:351 hour, 34 minutes, 35 secondsof you who come you truly are friends of calf ministry. You know our pain and suffering and the years of um rejection
1:34:441 hour, 34 minutes, 44 secondssince we have um um removed ourself from our previous position of um unreserved
1:34:531 hour, 34 minutes, 53 secondsuh subscription to the ideology of Zionism and rabinicic Judaism. We've lost everything just like Daniel. So I
1:35:011 hour, 35 minutes, 1 secondthink there we have a lot of similarities and thank you also for that clarity like sometimes you say when you
1:35:081 hour, 35 minutes, 8 secondsare in it you may not see it but people do and as much as both sides of the
1:35:151 hour, 35 minutes, 15 secondsworld are putting their propaganda machine out you know um the fur seller in Vietnam can see this the person in
1:35:241 hour, 35 minutes, 24 secondsPhilippines can see this the people the ordinary Joe walking on the streets uh in America can see this. I think
1:35:331 hour, 35 minutes, 33 secondsanyone with a conscience can see this. I just want to thank you again, Daniel.
1:35:401 hour, 35 minutes, 40 secondsNow, um we have been privileged to have you and I don't want to keep you for too long, but there are still Q&A and that's
1:35:481 hour, 35 minutes, 48 secondsone of the last things that we need to do. Please don't worry about it. Uh don't worry about time. Okay. Okay.
1:35:521 hour, 35 minutes, 52 secondswill stand you until the next 12 hours have a Bible study and then someone will follow over from Zoom and then we have to get you to resurrect them from the
1:35:581 hour, 35 minutes, 58 secondsZoom chair but uh from the book of Acts is it um but um yeah is there something else that you wanted to share we've
1:36:061 hour, 36 minutes, 6 secondscovered your days in propaganda we've covered your cracks in your life and how you question that you know cuz um you know I think there was a guy who saying
1:36:141 hour, 36 minutes, 14 secondsthat cuz I used to have a lot of professors from Israel that I'm good friends with because of my days as a drug dealer I mean a pharmaceutical representative which She's now fully
1:36:221 hour, 36 minutes, 22 secondsretired, you know, and um and so I I I I used to get in contact with professors from Tel Aviv and here in America, you
1:36:291 hour, 36 minutes, 29 secondsknow, but um um the there are things that are done the laws of this um uh
1:36:371 hour, 36 minutes, 37 secondslike on Shabbat, you cannot uh walk beyond a certain distance and you cannot push the button on the leaf like you say, but you can hint for someone to
1:36:461 hour, 36 minutes, 46 secondsactually push the button off. have to drive. You put a little donut so that you're actually traveling on water and it's not work.
1:36:521 hour, 36 minutes, 52 secondsSo you have debunked uh some of this um human tradition going back to our beginning the prayer at the
1:36:591 hour, 36 minutes, 59 secondsbeginning of this session. So I hope and pray tonight that for many of you now in this Zoom room and those listening into
1:37:061 hour, 37 minutes, 6 secondsthe future uh because you are we are your first fruit in Asia and Asia Pacific and Australia cuz a lot of your um Zoom and YouTube and Rumble were for
1:37:151 hour, 37 minutes, 15 secondsdifferent audience in different part of the world. So we just want to thank you for your time. This won't be the last.
1:37:201 hour, 37 minutes, 20 secondsWe hope to get you back another time and you may have another story, you know. Um but um yeah is there anything else that you wanted to share that you thought
1:37:281 hour, 37 minutes, 28 secondswill be interesting uh for us is when as I scroll through the questions uh yeah maybe I'll add quickly that you
1:37:361 hour, 37 minutes, 36 secondsknow when you start awakening to this and you start to see you know see the evil there sometimes there's a tendency
1:37:431 hour, 37 minutes, 43 secondsto then you know be in resistance and feelings of of hate and resistance come up and you know part of this journey of
1:37:521 hour, 37 minutes, 52 secondsbreaking the cycle of violence is really really being able to understand the people who are captured by this system
1:38:001 hour, 38 minutesand understand the levels of the propaganda to so that we can separate the ideologies that these people hold
1:38:081 hour, 38 minutes, 8 secondsfrom the people themselves so that we don't fuel the cycle of hatred. though really practicing the work of being able
1:38:171 hour, 38 minutes, 17 secondsto hold them in real love and really praying for the enemies and separating the person because
1:38:241 hour, 38 minutes, 24 secondsZionism Zionism uses anti-semitism and resistance to it
1:38:311 hour, 38 minutes, 31 secondsas fuel. And so the real holy work here is to put up the most powerful mirror of love to expose the people who are in it
1:38:401 hour, 38 minutes, 40 secondsand not fall into the same cycle of dehumanization of the Zionists themselves. Because if you become
1:38:481 hour, 38 minutes, 48 secondshateful or dehumanize the Zionists, you then fall into the same exact trap that the Zionists fell into. So make like
1:38:571 hour, 38 minutes, 57 secondsreally working on on unbreaking the cycle the multigenerational cycle and
1:39:041 hour, 39 minutes, 4 secondsyes uh yeah and with that like you said if you had uh questions or anything I'd uh
1:39:101 hour, 39 minutes, 10 secondshappy to happy to answer. So uh some of you have asked um how do we support um Daniel? There are three ways. One you
1:39:191 hour, 39 minutes, 19 secondscan buy his book. Uh second you can subscribe to his um Substack writings truth and reconciliation. Daniel uh
1:39:271 hour, 39 minutes, 27 secondsclient dzyk.substack.com uh fearing for my life and that that I think is a good way. Um and you can also
1:39:361 hour, 39 minutes, 36 secondsand my website too and your website and also uh I believe there is actually a uh let me just see
1:39:441 hour, 39 minutes, 44 secondsmy freedom from Zionism. There is this book um as well and um yeah my freedom from Zionism. You can buy a hard copy uh
1:39:531 hour, 39 minutes, 53 secondsfrom $24.95 Australian dollar and you can also buy a Kindle copy that you can read tonight to your next morning 6:00 a.m. and you can finish it. is about
1:40:011 hour, 40 minutes, 1 secondless than about 100 pages but it's gripping reading you know uh and and it reiterates everything that um uh Daniel has said and also his website and his
1:40:101 hour, 40 minutes, 10 secondsInstagram and um for those of you who like to donate I'll put a link on our telegram so that you can actually bless Daniel directly uh cuz Daniel because of
1:40:181 hour, 40 minutes, 18 secondshis stand for the truth like Daniel and his three friends choosing to refuse to bow to netbook and in this case to bow
1:40:251 hour, 40 minutes, 25 secondsto religious Zionism and his family he has been uh coming out from Zionism, Judaism, and as a result, he has lost
1:40:331 hour, 40 minutes, 33 secondshis family, his uh access to his children, and a lot of other things. Um, and we are here to be Daniel's family.
1:40:411 hour, 40 minutes, 41 secondsUh, we are here to be one another's keeper. Uh, in in other words, it's like two brothers uh from a different mother.
1:40:491 hour, 40 minutes, 49 secondsNo, no, no, no. Into Zism, you know, coming together. One is the more handsome one and one is the Jackie Chan.
1:40:551 hour, 40 minutes, 55 secondsBut thank you so much. Uh, we'd like to take questions now. Um but um yeah, I just have one little information here.
1:41:041 hour, 41 minutes, 4 secondsLet me see if I can um share that. Um now um okay um thank you so much for
1:41:111 hour, 41 minutes, 11 secondstonight. Um for those of you who just tuned in, there always people who come in at the end. This was a beautiful note we just received. You have confirmed
1:41:181 hour, 41 minutes, 18 secondseverything I suspected. Uh hard to believe, but I thank the spirit of truth for correction and cumbling blessing to you and your truth ministry. I hope that
1:41:261 hour, 41 minutes, 26 secondsyou buy Daniel's book. I hope that you subscribe to his substack and be a yearly follower. So at least um you support his work and encourage him to
1:41:341 hour, 41 minutes, 34 secondscontinue and we will do that at tough ministries. But I encourage you to go direct as well. Um and there is this brother who says every week we are asked to pray for Israel or sister or brother.
1:41:441 hour, 41 minutes, 44 secondsHe says and each time I couldn't pray for them. So the Holy Spirit is already at work the cracks in this sister or brother. I don't know why but tonight I
1:41:521 hour, 41 minutes, 52 secondsheard what I heard and it opened up my mind and most importantly the 14 inches from my mind and that is the heart. It's
1:42:011 hour, 42 minutes, 1 secondonly God who can open up a hearing heart. Praise God to this person who has responded so favorably. Lord, we just
1:42:081 hour, 42 minutes, 8 secondspray that more people uh in this group uh will continue to respond favorably and also to tell their friends uh about
1:42:151 hour, 42 minutes, 15 secondsthis um uh predicament with this um very um uh heinous ideology called Zionism.
1:42:231 hour, 42 minutes, 23 secondsYeah. that pervades a person who is born in Israel um from the time they are born until the time they are secondary, primary to um tertiary education and
1:42:321 hour, 42 minutes, 32 secondsculminating in the military service uh yielding exerting control over the same people they supposed to love. Another person say can't wait to buy your book.
1:42:411 hour, 42 minutes, 41 secondsI visited Israel and I was appalled by the Judaizers how they treat Christian.
1:42:451 hour, 42 minutes, 45 secondsIn fact, I was appalled by the statement that you make just now that they herded in boxes uh to be in a different lane,
1:42:521 hour, 42 minutes, 52 secondsyou know, to to go to Bethlehem every day for the rest of their life. Uh uh it's not just Gaza that is a concentration camp. I think everywhere
1:43:011 hour, 43 minutes, 1 secondthere is this two-tier society that if only a person can just come out of their blinkers, I think they would just it's only the God who can transform us and our mind.
1:43:121 hour, 43 minutes, 12 secondsUh there is a question here and that question says um uh yep. Okay. Um
1:43:221 hour, 43 minutes, 22 secondsuh Connie, thank you very much. Yes. Um you can actually go direct and you can use your credit card to support uh Connie if you join our Connie if you
1:43:301 hour, 43 minutes, 30 secondsgive your um details to charity we will send you Daniel's direct Instagram.
1:43:351 hour, 43 minutes, 35 secondsYeah, I think that's also the book here that Dorin has talked about my freedom from Zionism. Uh someone mentioned about Chuck Bowwin, a well-known US preacher who preached uh on Zionism truth. Yes.
1:43:461 hour, 43 minutes, 46 secondsUm um now uh another person says Elan Pap is an Israeli PhD who is well published author on the truth of Palestine. Uh the
1:43:551 hour, 43 minutes, 55 secondsissue with that is that um I think we found a a more precious diamond and that is a more precious stone and that is Daniel is not just um living in the
1:44:031 hour, 44 minutes, 3 secondssystem but he has come out of Babylon and he's been a believer of the way. So I think um uh that only God can engineer and some of you mentioned about uh Dr.
1:44:121 hour, 44 minutes, 12 secondsAngu Chai uh who actually uh I want to show you the book of Angu Chai. See if I have a book here. Uh I think maybe
1:44:211 hour, 44 minutes, 21 secondsDaniel you're too young to recognize Angu Chai but she actually let me just remove my blurring of my no blurring.
1:44:291 hour, 44 minutes, 29 secondsThere we go. Okay. She actually uh this lady is a orthopedic surgeon and she's from Singapore and she say growing up in Singapore I'm just like every other
1:44:381 hour, 44 minutes, 38 secondsSingapore Christian I believe in Christian Zionism you know and my church uh practices Christian Zionism to a certain degree and um she volunteered as
1:44:461 hour, 44 minutes, 46 secondsan orthopedic surgeon back in the 80s and she saw the destruction in Sabra and Chhatila refugee camp in Lebanon and that was her aha moment when the crack
1:44:551 hour, 44 minutes, 55 secondssignal uh left her to start MAP medical aid to Palestine. Um yeah uh this is not
1:45:021 hour, 45 minutes, 2 secondsan endorsement of her book but uh I just highlight that as uh because I just want to share with you in case some of you
1:45:091 hour, 45 minutes, 9 secondsare on the verge of not just a crack but turning into the 33rd year like Daniel where you're just like after tonight you
1:45:161 hour, 45 minutes, 16 secondsgo like you know what I mean I I I you know what I've been all my life like what the sisters here have been telling me but you know what you actually are
1:45:251 hour, 45 minutes, 25 secondsnot alone there are many people before you and many people after you and many people who are not even Christians with
1:45:331 hour, 45 minutes, 33 secondsa heart of gold with a humanitarian heart who can see through uh the evil ideology called
1:45:411 hour, 45 minutes, 41 secondsZionism or any other illism legalism Zionism different ism terrorism every
1:45:471 hour, 45 minutes, 47 secondsism is evil and everyism is manufactured and human predicated upon fears and
1:45:541 hour, 45 minutes, 54 secondslies. Thank you so much Daniel uh for coming together. Um is there any other people with my father said once in his
1:46:021 hour, 46 minutes, 2 secondssleep he received this message from God regarding Israel that they are very revengeful people for one Israeli killed they pay back the life of 10 people. He
1:46:101 hour, 46 minutes, 10 secondsreceived this revelation during this time Israel invaded Gaza. Okay, that's a personal revelation. Thank you very much. Um is there any other questions
1:46:181 hour, 46 minutes, 18 secondsthat are on your mind? Um or if there is any other thing that you want to share?
1:46:231 hour, 46 minutes, 23 secondsNo. Yes. Um, let me just see if there's any other question. Daniel, you can also feel free to take a look at the chat.
1:46:301 hour, 46 minutes, 30 secondsUm, yeah. So, I think tonight's testimony is good. And, and we just want to say, you know, try not to be a
1:46:371 hour, 46 minutes, 37 secondsfoolish man who listen to all kinds of I hear, I hear, I hear. Go back to the word of God, understanding what's in the
1:46:441 hour, 46 minutes, 44 secondsworld. uh and be like King Solomon, a wise man with a hearing heart to discern and to know that the heart of God is always upon judgment, righteousness,
1:46:531 hour, 46 minutes, 53 secondstruth and justice. EMTT was uh Sedak uh Mishbat were hanum compassion and
1:47:001 hour, 47 minutesjustice. So you know there we go. So I think um Daniel you're not just giving your testimony tonight. You have also shared the word and you have shared with
1:47:071 hour, 47 minutes, 7 secondsus the person who was responsible for silently influencing you. In a way, this person was like reproving, rebuking and
1:47:141 hour, 47 minutes, 14 secondsexalting with great patience, you know, and um and and in true enough, the time will come when already happening, people will not endure sound doctrine, but they
1:47:241 hour, 47 minutes, 24 secondswant to have their ears tickled. In the book of Romans 16:18, it says um
1:47:301 hour, 47 minutes, 30 secondsChristologia and urologia, logo, I can't remember the words. Let me just go back to this word. Crystal loia and ulogia
1:47:401 hour, 47 minutes, 40 secondssmooth and flattery words. A lot of people will come to you with smooth and flattery words, you know, and they sell you benefits like what brother Daniel said, but we are not here to sell you
1:47:481 hour, 47 minutes, 48 secondsbenefits. We are not here to create you something that will benefit you like prosperity gospel, but we are here to
1:47:541 hour, 47 minutes, 54 secondswarn you. Yeah. And uh to give you um a very important warning about the dangers of Christian Zionism. Uh with that, I
1:48:041 hour, 48 minutes, 4 secondsjust want to thank brother Daniel again for giving up his time and his sleep.
1:48:081 hour, 48 minutes, 8 secondsUm, what a powerful testimony tonight has been from an ex-Israeli West Bank settler. Um, and his powerful story of
1:48:161 hour, 48 minutes, 16 secondshow he left Zionism, Judaism, my freedom from Zionism. You can get it in Amazon.
1:48:221 hour, 48 minutes, 22 secondsYou can subscribe to his writings on Substack and I'll give you his direct link. Uh, Daniel, can you type down your your your your website so that people
1:48:311 hour, 48 minutes, 31 secondscan actually, you know, um, uh, support you financially as well. Uh that would be great because we do not want Daniel
1:48:381 hour, 48 minutes, 38 secondsto um uh be left alone. We are all part of the family. And at the end of tonight as we invite the sister to pray um we
1:48:461 hour, 48 minutes, 46 secondsalso want to say the special burkat kohanim not from a zionistic but from a one new man perspective. I just want to invite everyone to turn on your camera
1:48:531 hour, 48 minutes, 53 secondsand Daniel you can see your brand new family as well. And I'm sure you have seen this before. But um yeah um now um
1:49:001 hour, 49 minutesif there's no other thing Daniel has given us his special um um that is the one www.daniel.living
1:49:091 hour, 49 minutes, 9 secondsit's a very simple website but the moment you click on that you can see that you can actually go and support him. So that will be really good as
1:49:161 hour, 49 minutes, 16 secondswell. Um and that is what is needed at this moment. Yeah. So, uh, with that, I just want to invite Sister V, uh, to
1:49:231 hour, 49 minutes, 23 secondscome on and just bless us with a a prayer, uh, to close tonight. Yeah.
1:49:301 hour, 49 minutes, 30 secondsSo, uh, Sister V, are you there? Uh, no, Sister V is there. Hi, David.
1:49:351 hour, 49 minutes, 35 secondsSo, we'll just to um remain audible to us. Can you hear me, David? We can hear you loud and clear.
1:49:431 hour, 49 minutes, 43 secondsOh, great.
1:49:441 hour, 49 minutes, 44 secondsPraise God. And after sister's prayer as we do the burkat kohanim I'd like to invite everyone to then you can turn on your video and say thank you and hello
1:49:521 hour, 49 minutes, 52 secondsto Daniel and I think that's the special moment where people from all over the world from Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, Papa Nigini, Australia,
1:50:001 hour, 50 minutesdifferent time zones and all the way to Peter Herman and everyone else to actually come and say hello together.
1:50:051 hour, 50 minutes, 5 secondsWith that I just want to cross over to uh sister V uh to close us in prayer. Please do that. Thank you.
1:50:121 hour, 50 minutes, 12 secondsHeavenly Father, we just rejoice at the opportunity to have heard Daniel and these wonderful and powerful testimony,
1:50:201 hour, 50 minutes, 20 secondsLord, what you've done in him and through him. And Father, thank you for shedding the light um of what's going on
1:50:301 hour, 50 minutes, 30 secondsin Israel. And Father, illuminating us, Aresh. Forgive us Lord when we have been
1:50:371 hour, 50 minutes, 37 secondscaught up in deception and lies and not allowed the Holy Spirit to teach us and guide us but have been trapped in a system here um in the west as well.
1:50:481 hour, 50 minutes, 48 secondsFather, we just ask for a blessing over Daniel and that you'll continue to use him mightily and powerfully um to share
1:50:571 hour, 50 minutes, 57 secondsum the word of God and to shed light on the truth of what's happening in Israel.
1:51:021 hour, 51 minutes, 2 secondsAnd we just pray father for his family as well to come to the knowledge of you that that they too lord will receive you
1:51:101 hour, 51 minutes, 10 secondsas their lord and savior. We pray father for um real fruit from this ministry
1:51:171 hour, 51 minutes, 17 secondsthat you have entrusted him with. And we also pray for protection over him and his family. Father and in Jesus' name we commit him to you. Amen.
1:51:281 hour, 51 minutes, 28 secondsAmen. Indeed. Uh by the fruits by the fruits by the fruits you shall know them. And
1:51:351 hour, 51 minutes, 35 secondsDaniel is uh such a precious fruit. I just have thank you Jessica. I just have four slides and then uh we will close.
1:51:421 hour, 51 minutes, 42 secondsUm so I just want to iterate. We are not here to spew hate. I think we are here to have this message of unity and love.
1:51:501 hour, 51 minutes, 50 secondsUh as what brother Daniel say, there's neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free.
1:51:541 hour, 51 minutes, 54 secondsThere's no male or female. You are all one. Your heart in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ ah then now you are
1:52:011 hour, 52 minutes, 1 secondAbraham Zakar as according to the promise. Praise God. So that's Galatians 3:28. The seed is Abraham. Uh but it's
1:52:091 hour, 52 minutes, 9 secondsnot saying it's not Abraham but it's singular is fulfilled in Christ. Amen.
1:52:131 hour, 52 minutes, 13 secondsSo praise God. One day very soon um the promise will say he will judge the nations and will settle dispute for many people. They will build their swat into
1:52:221 hour, 52 minutes, 22 secondsplowshare and their spears into pruning hopes. Nation will not take up swat against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. Isaiah Yeshuahu 2:4, NASB
1:52:321 hour, 52 minutes, 32 secondsversion. May our love be greater than our hate. And I think I put this slide here. Although the picture is fictitious, but I think this is such a
1:52:381 hour, 52 minutes, 38 secondsbeautiful picture of Christ uh uh uh empowering the Samaritan woman, accepting the Samaritan woman because in
1:52:461 hour, 52 minutes, 46 secondsthe past Samaritans were actually looked at as half cast, half tribe that even the Jews detour on the way to avoid a
1:52:541 hour, 52 minutes, 54 secondsSamaritan in the villages. But Christ came at the hottest part of the day to affirm and encourage and endorse and approve the woman at the well. May our
1:53:031 hour, 53 minutes, 3 secondslove be greater than our head. The Lord bless you and keep you, brother Daniel, and your family and your household wherever you are. The Lord make his face
1:53:101 hour, 53 minutes, 10 secondsto shine upon you, congregation, wherever you are, dear Ecclesia, and be gracious unto you. And thank you, Sister V. And thank you, Mor Joy Ching for opening and praising and closing. And
1:53:181 hour, 53 minutes, 18 secondsthank you to Team Tav K Dam, D Kim, and Ket. And the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace, brother Daniel.
1:53:351 hour, 53 minutes, 35 secondsShalom. And the Lord give you much wisdom, riches, and um um favor for your ministry. Now, until we meet again and I
1:53:441 hour, 53 minutes, 44 secondsjust want to thank you for your time again. Uh dear Ecclesia, can we all turn on our videos? Uh or those of you who are shy, can you uh turn on your video
1:53:521 hour, 53 minutes, 52 secondsto yourself? And uh we just want to say a thank you uh a beautiful time uh to brother Daniel who gave up everything
1:54:001 hour, 54 minutesand also gave up his beautiful sleep uh for us tonight so that we can actually enjoy his beautiful testimony. So everyone say thank you and um blessings.
1:54:091 hour, 54 minutes, 9 secondsThank you sister Sam from Pakistan.
1:54:191 hour, 54 minutes, 19 secondsBlessings, blessings, brother. Thank you, Joyce. Thank you.
1:54:261 hour, 54 minutes, 26 secondsDon't forget to stop the recording.
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