EXPOSED: Leaked Tapes REVEAL How SECRET Israeli Money & Trump Freed a Drug Dealing President
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0:00 Intro
1:26 Israel & US's Secret Plot in Latin America
12:44 Double Take
17:33 Labour Together Spy Scandal Reaches Keir Starmer
29:44 Newswatch in Brief
32:46 Is Iran Behind Antisemitism Attacks? (A) (Or is it Israel?)
36:16 Former FBI Agent: "We know where the fear narrative originates from" (B)
42:31 Antony Loewenstein Investigates Australia's Attacks: "It's murky" (C)
52:31 Final Thoughts...
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Chapter 1: Intro
0:00This week on Doubledown News Watch, a shocking story of American and Israeli political meddling in Latin America. If
0:077 secondswe have to kill people, you can rest assured we will do it.
0:1111 secondsNew audio recordings appear to reveal a former president of Honduras in jail in the US for drug trafficking was freed by
0:1818 secondsDonald Trump as a result of payments by Israeli aligned groups.
0:2323 secondsThe Israeli prime minister is going to back us. We're very grateful to him. The pardon money didn't even come from you.
0:3030 secondsIt came from a council of rabbis, from people who back Israel.
0:3333 secondsThe labor together spying scandal spreads to the heart of the Labour party and may now implicate the prime minister.
0:4040 secondsI can't conceive a situation where at the very least hasn't been told about it verbally. This went to the absolute top levels of the Labour Party.
0:4848 secondsAnd we do a deep dive into the Iranian group supposedly behind recent arson attacks on Jewish sites in London. It's
0:5555 secondsalso possible that it's complete nonsense that Iran was not behind this at all. It's really murky. I mean,
1:021 minute, 2 secondsthat's the reality. We speak to a former undercover agent for the FBI.
1:071 minute, 7 secondsIt seems more fictitious. Not fictional, but fictitious. We know who the fear
1:141 minute, 14 secondsnarrative originates from. I'm Richard Saunders, and this is your weekly look at the world through independent eyes.
Chapter 2: Israel & US's Secret Plot in Latin America
1:261 minute, 26 secondsOn April the 30th, anonymous Honduran journalists working with the Spanish TV station Canal Red began releasing 37
1:341 minute, 34 secondsaudio recordings of voice notes and telephone conversations between senior Honduran politicians. They revealed an
1:411 minute, 41 secondsextraordinary story of American and Israeli interference in the country's internal affairs. A story which has been almost entirely ignored by
1:491 minute, 49 secondsEnglish-speaking media. The tapes feature the country's president Nasri Asphora and former president Juan Orlando Ernnandez who was imprisoned in
1:581 minute, 58 secondsthe United States for drug trafficking and then controversially pardoned by President Trump just before last November's elections in Honduras which
2:072 minutes, 7 secondswere marred by allegations of corruption. Both Asphoda and Hernandez belong to the right-wing National Party.
2:132 minutes, 13 secondsShortly before the election, President Trump issued a blunt warning to Honduran voters to vote for the National Party or
2:202 minutes, 20 secondsface a cutoff of aid. As the votes were counted with the results on a knife edge, Trump warned there would be hell
2:282 minutes, 28 secondsto pay if the left-wing Liberal Party emerged triumphant. A swaller duly won.
2:342 minutes, 34 secondsThe tapes appear to show that the release of former President Hernandez from prison in the US was the result of a financial transaction and was facilitated by Israeli interests.
2:462 minutes, 46 secondsThe Israeli prime minister is going to back us. We're very grateful to him.
2:512 minutes, 51 secondsThey had a lot to do with it. In fact, they had everything to do with my release and my negotiation. The pardon
2:582 minutes, 58 secondsmoney didn't even come from you. It came from a council of rabbis, from people who back Israel.
3:053 minutes, 5 secondsThe recordings reveal a plot to reinstall Ernnandez as president after Asphora has served his four-year term
3:123 minutes, 12 secondsand to turn Honduras into a hub of American and Israeli interests in the region. Hernandez denies it's his voice
3:193 minutes, 19 secondson the recordings. President Asora has not yet made a formal public statement.
3:243 minutes, 24 secondsCanal Red says it authenticated the tapes. Earshot, an independent sonic investigation company, has examined them
3:323 minutes, 32 secondsand concluded they're likely to be genuine, though the poor quality of the recordings means this evaluation was made with what it calls a moderate
3:403 minutes, 40 secondsdegree of confidence. I spoke to one of the journalists behind the story.
3:453 minutes, 45 secondsValeria Dwarte from Canal read. Her words are translated from Spanish.
3:523 minutes, 52 secondsFirst, I'd like to ask, what interest does Israel have in a small Central American country like Honduras? Honduras?
4:004 minutesWhile the Israel factor in the Honduras gate expose has been one of the things that has caught our attention the most because Latin America does have a
4:084 minutes, 8 secondshistory of political interference by the United States. But what has raised alarm bells is what interest Israel has in a country like Honduras.
4:194 minutes, 19 secondsand not just Honduras, but in Latin America and the Caribbean.
4:234 minutes, 23 secondsListen to what they say regarding Israel's interest.
4:274 minutes, 27 secondsThey describe it in terms of artificial intelligence. In this case, special economic zones where Honduras sees
4:344 minutes, 34 secondssovereignty so there can be artificial intelligence investment.
4:394 minutes, 39 secondsSo we are talking about a network of money that seeks to implement these zones that are protected or rather unprotected by legislation.
4:494 minutes, 49 secondsso they can operate in Latin America and the Caribbean. So what the Honduras Gay Expose revealed are precisely these economic and military interests.
5:025 minutes, 2 secondsThe recordings appear to show that the release of Juan Orlando Fernandez from prison was the result of financial arrangement. Is that right?
5:125 minutes, 12 secondsYes. Exactly. What Juan Orlando Hernandez says is that the pardon was paid for by people from Israel. He says
5:195 minutes, 19 secondsthe pardon was paid for by them, not even by you. He tells current president Nasri Fura.
5:275 minutes, 27 secondsBut we don't know for sure it was the government of Israel. Is that right?
5:325 minutes, 32 secondsNo. The audio clips say that Israelis are the ones who paid for this and we have to thank Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for everything. The audio says
5:405 minutes, 40 secondsit explicitly. Juan Orlando says the one who has been in charge of all of this has been Benjamin Netanyahu.
5:505 minutes, 50 secondsDo we know who or what organization received the money? No, we don't have information on that.
5:575 minutes, 57 secondsThe audio clips don't reveal this type of information.
6:046 minutes, 4 secondsWhat's the interest of President Trump in having a friendly government in Honduras? in particular in having Juan Orlando Hernandez as president in four years time.
6:176 minutes, 17 secondsWell, for Donald Trump, Juan Orlando Hernandez is a bargaining chip to have control over Honduras, absolute control over the country.
6:266 minutes, 26 secondsWhen we talk about absolute control, we are talking about economic and military force. Because in the audio clips of Nasri Fura, the current president of
6:366 minutes, 36 secondsHonduras speaking to Juan Orlando Hernandez, he says, "We have already spoken with the
6:436 minutes, 43 secondsambassadors. We have already spoken with those we had contact with before and in these negotiations we had agreed.
6:526 minutes, 52 secondsAmong the special economic zones that operate outside of Honduran law is the construction of military bases.
7:007 minutesThey say they are going to build a military base that will be larger than the one they already have. And note that the American military base located in Honduras is the largest in the region.
7:127 minutes, 12 secondsIn the geopolitical war of influence between the US and China, whatever we call it.
7:197 minutes, 19 secondsThey explain how they will no longer have any relationship with China. This aligns exactly with the US security doctrine.
7:317 minutes, 31 secondsThis is a scandal that extends throughout Latin America. In the recordings, they talk about creating a secret information unit to attack other governments in Latin America.
7:437 minutes, 43 secondsIn Latin America, I'm going to play you a couple of clips of Juan Orlando.
7:517 minutes, 51 secondsIt's necessary for me to have these funds because we are going to open an office here with the help of some Republicans to be able to attack and
7:597 minutes, 59 secondsremove the cancer of the left from Honduras and all of Latin America. We can do great things for all of Latin
8:068 minutes, 6 secondsAmerica. There will be actions against Mexico. There will be actions against Colombia and most importantly against Honduras, against the Zlaya family.
8:188 minutes, 18 secondsWell, it is made explicit that there is a need to strike at progressive governments in Latin America and the Caribbean that are not aligned with US economic interests.
8:298 minutes, 29 secondsWe are talking especially about Colombia and Mexico whose governments are on the left and are somewhat independent
8:378 minutes, 37 secondsand both countries have leaders who have rejected US interference in this period of right-wing governments.
8:448 minutes, 44 secondsWhat Juan Orlando Hernandez says is that he is going to build a communication cell in the US that will also be
8:518 minutes, 51 secondscoordinated by Donald Trump's presidential team to strike and exterminate the cancer of the left. That
8:598 minutes, 59 secondsis to influence public opinion through media warfare. So what is the specific interest of the United States? To
9:079 minutes, 7 secondsoverthrow sovereign countries so they can also be aligned with US foreign policy.
9:149 minutes, 14 secondsThe name of President Javier Mille of Argentina also appears in the recordings. What's his role?
9:229 minutes, 22 secondsYes, that is truly striking. Juan Orlando Hernandez confirms it that Javier Mle has already contributed $350,000
9:319 minutes, 31 secondsin this fight against the left. I say that in quotes because they view everything as a war. There is a war unfolding in the region and they have
9:399 minutes, 39 secondsprovided $350,000 to help fund this communication cell based in the United States.
9:489 minutes, 48 secondsSome of the clips are chilling. I'm going to play you the voice of again.
9:549 minutes, 54 secondsIf we have to kill people, you can rest assured we will do it.
10:0010 minutesIf we have to return to repression to control the country, we'll do it. We have to do everything we can to hold on
10:0710 minutes, 7 secondsto power. Everything that happens, deaths, assassinations, kidnappings, we should blame it all on the communists.
10:1710 minutes, 17 secondsI'm also going to play you the voice of retired general Romeo Vasquez Velasquez, who was the leader of a coup in Honduras in 2009.
10:3010 minutes, 30 secondsI have a group that are more or less ready in the armed forces, including the administrator. They're all on board to begin the hunt.
10:3810 minutes, 38 secondsI also have a list of people that we have to hit hard to clean out, to disappear in some way.
10:4610 minutes, 46 secondsA hunt? What are they talking about here?
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsWell, we are talking about a doctrine of terror. A doctrine of terror that takes us back to Operation Condor of the last
10:5810 minutes, 58 secondscentury in Latin America and the Caribbean when the military with complete impunity had the power to
11:0511 minutes, 5 secondspersecute opponents, opposition leaders, social organizations, and people on the left in the name of the fight against
11:1311 minutes, 13 secondscommunism. Right now, we are seeing history repeating itself. There's time being justified by the fight against
11:2111 minutes, 21 secondsdrug trafficking. Today specifically, the President of Congress, Thomas Sbrano, has officially granted his full approval for the deployment of the
11:3011 minutes, 30 secondsmilitary onto the streets throughout Honduras. We're talking about a process of territorial militarization,
11:3711 minutes, 37 secondsnot just in Honduras, but in various countries across Latin America. In other audio clips, Juan Orlando Hernandez says
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondsit doesn't matter how much blood is shed. They will be in government forever and have to do whatever it takes to stay in power.
11:5411 minutes, 54 secondsWhat's been the international reaction to your report, especially in the United States?
12:0212 minutes, 2 secondsWell, there hasn't been much coverage in the United States regarding the Honduras Gay Expose, but in Latin America, it has
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondsreally caught our attention. But this story will only get bigger because today Gustavo Petro, the president of
12:1712 minutes, 17 secondsColombia, said he is going to initiate the international trial of Juan Orlando Hernandez for his actions, which should
12:2512 minutes, 25 secondsalso include other actors heard in the audio recordings, the ones that are actually funding it or who pushed for the pardon.
12:3312 minutes, 33 secondsA postcript to this story. This week, the BBC published a lengthy interview with former President Juan Orlando
12:4012 minutes, 40 secondsErnandez. They failed to ask him about any of this.
Chapter 3: Double Take
12:4712 minutes, 47 secondsIsrael's Minister of National Security, Itamar Bengavir, has posted footage on social media showing the abuse of detained Gaza flotilla activists. These
12:5612 minutes, 56 secondsimages provoked outrage in the West and Israeli officials rushed to scold Ben Wave for taking a sledgehammer to their propaganda machine, including a rare
13:0513 minutes, 5 secondsrebuke from Prime Minister Netanyahu, who said that they were not in line with Israel's values and norms, as if Bengavir were an extremist outlier and
13:1313 minutes, 13 secondsnot the Minister of National Security, ignoring the rampant abuse, including sexual, reported by previously detained flirtillaa activists, and that this is
13:2213 minutes, 22 secondsjust a snapshot of the inhumane treatment Palestinians are regularly subject ed to with no international push back at all. Also in Israel, thousands
13:3013 minutes, 30 secondsof ultraists marched through Jerusalem's old city last week.
13:3613 minutes, 36 secondsThe annual dance of the flags commemorates Israel's conquest of Jerusalem in 1967.
13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsIt's a day of terror and intimidation for Palestinians who still constitute the majority of the population in East Jerusalem.
13:5013 minutes, 50 secondsThe police and army do little to protect them and even children it seems have learned impunity.
13:5613 minutes, 56 secondsSo what would you do to the Palestinians living here?
13:5813 minutes, 58 secondsHere like in the old city leave or we'll kill you. I think Islam is cancer and you don't transfer cancer to another
14:0614 minutes, 6 secondspatient. That's not moral. You have to destroy cancer. Only the purple vested volunteers of we stand together a voluntary organization comprising of
14:1414 minutes, 14 secondsJews and Palestinians stand between local people and the mob. This is Alan Lee Green, the co-director of We Stand Together.
14:2214 minutes, 22 secondsThese police officers are removing us and they see so many settlers serving death to all arms, lay your village
14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsburn, they see them try to hurt Palestinian businesses, but as they try to remove the people that come here to try and protect Palestinians as they're
14:3714 minutes, 37 secondstrying to remove and they are getting protection.
14:4014 minutes, 40 secondsMeanwhile, the UK saw its own hate march. The Unite the Kingdom rally descended upon London at the weekend led by far-right activist Steven Yaxley
14:4814 minutes, 48 secondsLennon aka Tommy Robinson. While organizers claimed that this would be the biggest patriotic rally so far, it saw less than half of the turnout of
14:5714 minutes, 57 secondstheir previous march in September. Here are some lowlights. Shut up. What's that? Are you sick?
15:0515 minutes, 5 secondsWhat's your language? This is my little girlfriend.
15:1015 minutes, 10 secondsWhat's your name? Hey. Hey. She ain't no child ride. How old is she? She's 15. Are you [ __ ] hell?
15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsPlease, I'm going to go to jail in a minute.
15:2515 minutes, 25 secondsNo, I'm good, bro. I'm good. prove that you ain't losing smoke that come back over you.
15:4115 minutes, 41 secondsThe Robinson rally propelled this man to fame. Evangelical pastor and would be rock star Ricky Doulan.
16:0816 minutes, 8 secondsA version of this clip that went viral was manipulated by AI to be more out of tune. Dulan says, "What's far more
16:1516 minutes, 15 secondsinteresting is Dulan's previous appearance in an undercover series called Gold Mafia by Alazer's investigative unit broadcast in 2023.
16:2416 minutes, 24 secondsThe series exposed gold smuggling and money laundering in southern Africa.
16:2816 minutes, 28 secondsDulan is a pastor in the Good News Church run by this man, Yubert Angel.
16:3316 minutes, 33 secondsAngel is a senior envoy for the Zimbabwean government and according to Alazer, a key figure in smuggling and moneyaundering networks." Ricky Dulan is part of his show.
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsYou were born in September. September.
16:5116 minutes, 51 secondsAs well as holding the mic for him, Dulan acts as Angel's sidekick in business deals.
16:5716 minutes, 57 secondsDulan denies wrongdoing and has not faced any criminal prosecution. But here are some of the highlights from his appearance in the Alazer series.
17:0617 minutes, 6 secondsWe are excellent.
17:0817 minutes, 8 secondsIt's It's embarrassing. It's not very good. I like embarrassing cash.
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondsThe problem is, and we want to all be clear, absolutely.
17:1517 minutes, 15 secondsThis is black money. This is money which cannot be declined. Okay. I understand.
17:2017 minutes, 20 secondsAs long as you grease the wheels in Africa, you grease the wheels, there is no issue. There can't be no issue. It's a good washing machine, right?
17:2817 minutes, 28 secondsYeah.
Chapter 4: Labour Together Spy Scandal Reaches Keir Starmer
17:3317 minutes, 33 secondsIn February, news broke that Labor Together, the think tank that propelled Kstama to power, had been spying on
17:4017 minutes, 40 secondsBritish journalists. Labor Together hired PR firm APCO to dig for dirt on Paul Holden, author of the fraud, which
17:4817 minutes, 48 secondsexposed the fact Labor Together had failed to declare threearters of a million pounds in donations. The APCO
17:5517 minutes, 55 secondsinvestigation extended to Gabriel Pogrand of the Sunday Times who collaborated with Holden on an article about Labor Together in the autumn of
18:0318 minutes, 3 seconds2023. Josh Simons, the director of Labor Together, resigned in disgrace at the end of February and has since resigned
18:1018 minutes, 10 secondsas an MP. Now, new evidence has emerged which shows knowledge of the APCO investigation into Paul Holden extended to the very highest levels of the Labour
18:2018 minutes, 20 secondsParty and that Kia Star himself may be implicated. Paul Holden joined us in the
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsstudio. Well, uh just this past week um I received information out of the think tank labor together. Um the story has
18:3518 minutes, 35 secondsbeen breaking for a while. It's been very much focused on the idea this was a bit of a rogue operation that was being led by labor together with Josh Simons
18:4318 minutes, 43 secondswho was a director sort of playing a key role but the documents show that actually this was effectively a joint labor party labor together appco
18:5118 minutes, 51 secondsstrategy is the reputation management firm that was hired um and this went to the absolute top levels of the labor party um we have emails showing that
19:0019 minutesJosh Simons and a very senior employer at at EPCO worldwide um were meeting were were corresponding with Morgan Mcweeny and Paul Overden to discuss the
19:0919 minutes, 9 secondsreporting to me here that's Morgan Mweeny who at that time was head of campaigns later became chief of staff after they got got into power and Paul Evan Ovunden who was um
19:1819 minutes, 18 secondshead of communications at that time and later became head of strategy in town so this is the email that's um that you've uncovered and and you can see
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsabsolutely in this sort of receipt column there's Morgan Mcweeny and there's Paul Oendon it establishes absolutely beyond doubt that they are communicating with Josh Simon and labor
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondstogether about what is a smear campaign against you.
19:3819 minutes, 38 secondsAnd it's very clear from the context of the email as well because it says Tom Tom Harper has just finalized his report into Paul Holden who'll be delivering it
19:4619 minutes, 46 secondson a certain date. Please can we arrange a meeting to discuss this very clear from the context of the email that he's not having to explain who Tom Harper is.
19:5419 minutes, 54 secondsHe's not having to explain who APCO are.
19:5519 minutes, 55 secondsHe's not having to explain that there's a report into me plainly people know about it already from the context of the email. This is a long-term discussion and they're expecting to receive it. And
20:0420 minutes, 4 secondsnow we can see in the order trail is that basically within days of them being informed of this report, APCO then
20:1320 minutes, 13 secondsencourages Labor together to report me to security services. It's a pretty disturbing story because what it shows is that actually this this this really
20:2020 minutes, 20 secondsdespicable and is a genuinely despicable campaign um to investigate me and my family and I've seen the report that lists my home address, for example,
20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsidentifies my family members. So, this is a a very conventional straightforward smear campaign designed to undermine your profession and effectively ruin
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsyour life. Um, you that's what it would have done and in which they they seek to bring the security services on board.
20:4320 minutes, 43 secondsThey try to get the National Cyber Security Center to investigate you. To their credit, the National Cyber Security Center looks at this and says it's all nonsense and won't. Yeah, it
20:5120 minutes, 51 secondsdoes seem like basically they are the National Cyber Security Center very politely responds to to Labor Together and says, you know, please forward us your concerns and then, you know,
21:0021 minuteseffectively nothing happens at that point. You know, the theory behind that that Labor Together and APCO present is that I'm somehow connected to Russia
21:0721 minutes, 7 secondsthat I'm part of a pro Kremlin network of journalists. An absolutely mad allegation, not least because me and my colleague Andrew have investigated Russian oligarchs. We've been, you know,
21:1621 minutes, 16 secondswe face legal extra legal threats from Russian oligarchs. It's a mad allegation. Until now, what's happened is essentially Labour together and Josh
21:2321 minutes, 23 secondsSimons who headed have been cordoned off. Josh Simons was thrown thrown to the wolves and he he was thrown under the bus and and he was the one who took responsibility for it which is
21:3121 minutes, 31 secondspresumably why Josh Simons stabbed Star in the back in Makerfield by standing down in Makerfield and and letting Burnham stand. I would imagine
21:3921 minutes, 39 secondsI mean he's given his own reasons for why he's done it. He believes he's now become a true Andy Bernham believer according to his version. But what's very clear, absolutely clear, is this is
21:4821 minutes, 48 secondsnot like Josh Simons on his own endeavor pursuing some rogue crazy scheme of his
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsown, which is sort of the way it's been presented. This is a a a a response that is that involves the absolute highest
22:0422 minutes, 4 secondslevels of the Labour Party, people who become the highest levels of the Star number 10 operation. And really I've got
22:1322 minutes, 13 secondsto believe looking at this material and looking now we know the closeness between Morgan Mweeni and Kastama and
22:2122 minutes, 21 secondsthe centrality of Overden to the Kstarma operation. And also because my book and my work was specifically going to be looking into the relationship between
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondsMorgan Mcweeni and Kastama and and serious unlawful misconduct.
22:3422 minutes, 34 secondsI just cannot see how Stalmer wouldn't know about this. I just do not believe personally in my own mind I can't conceive of a situation where at the
22:4222 minutes, 42 secondsvery least some hasn't been told about it verbally.
22:4522 minutes, 45 secondsLet's just jump backwards for people who are not completely familiar with this story. You wrote a book called The Fraud. In the fraud you exposed the fact that Labour together the think tank
22:5322 minutes, 53 secondswhich had propelled Star to Power had received three quarters of a million pounds during the Corbyn era in undeclared funds. And your your big um
23:0123 minutes, 1 secondrevelation subsequently in the press was that supposedly this was an error. There is very strong evidence it wasn't an error that Morgan Mcweeny who at that
23:1023 minutes, 10 secondstime headed Labour together had been told very clearly that he should be um he should be reading this and then what happened is when you collaborated with
23:1823 minutes, 18 secondsthe Sunday Times and Gabriel Pogrand and the Sunday Times to to report this um labor together hired this company APCO
23:2723 minutes, 27 secondsto do an investigation into yourself and to Andrew Feinstein um who you work with um and who also
23:3423 minutes, 34 secondshappened to be K star's independent opponent in the in the Hov and Stankra seat.
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondsYeah. So you have a straight line from they freak out because actually the story I have is so damaging to this this political project because it shows
23:4823 minutes, 48 secondsthere's like real issues of property and good governance about the most central players in Kostama's government about Kiama himself. He needs to answer these
23:5523 minutes, 55 secondsquestions and then within within a week there's this scheme. We will undermine this reporting. We will make sure that
24:0224 minutes, 2 secondsdoesn't have an impact. This is not even nearly finished being investigated where there has to be a proper full inquiry
24:1024 minutes, 10 secondsinto it possibly through a select committee in parliament. You know, it's it's dirty tricks, it's contractors, it's spies, it's smear campaigns, it's
24:1824 minutes, 18 secondsevidence being deleted, it's evidence being withheld, all in the end to disguise and to distract from and to cover up from the original sin. And I've
24:2724 minutes, 27 secondsalways said this is the original sin of the Stama project is that Morgan Mcweeni for two and a half years ran a covert
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondscampaign to destroy Jeremy Corbyn and stalk's leader with a pot of money he wasn't declaring in violation of the electoral law and when they were
24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsinvestigated by the electoral commission. It looks like they were in cander with them and that is damning and the interesting twist here of course is Peter Oon and myself reported um the
24:5124 minutes, 51 secondsthe the fact that you were being smeared by Labour together last September. No one was interested at that point. It became a big story at the beginning of
24:5924 minutes, 59 secondsthis year because APCO, somebody on the ground for APCO, had rather misunderstood the job and thought their job was to smear everyone and smeared
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsGabriel Pogrand at the times. That's the only reason this has become a big story.
25:0925 minutes, 9 secondsNo one gave a damn when it was just you and Andrew.
25:1225 minutes, 12 secondsI think it was two things. The one is that for various reasons obviously we couldn't name the Osapco back at the time. Then of course when it turns out
25:2125 minutes, 21 secondsthey're actually going after Gabriel Pogran and they've also listed Henry Dyier who's now at the Guardian and Harry York in like a scope of works
25:2725 minutes, 27 secondsdocument then it really breaks free um and there's a sense of like how how dare they go after the establishment journalists.
25:3625 minutes, 36 secondsAm I right in thinking that your book the fraud um has still not received a single review in British national media? So the places that have reviewed it, I got a
25:4425 minutes, 44 secondsreview in politics home um and then a review in I think it's called the is the new European, but nowhere else has reviewed it.
25:5425 minutes, 54 secondsNo, it's extraordinary, isn't it? They can't ignore it because you it's now led to the resignation of three senior figures at number 10, including Paul
26:0126 minutes, 1 secondOffendon, the the head of strategy, who is on on the email. Um and it fatally undermined Morgan Mcweeny as well. And
26:0826 minutes, 8 secondsand yet even when they're reporting it in news terms, they do everything they can not to mention the actual book.
26:1426 minutes, 14 secondsNo, I mean it does seem like a I'm going to use um an unpleasant analogy. I hope you don't mind because I I was Go ahead. I was telling telling my partner
26:2226 minutes, 22 secondsJess who, you know, did such great, you know, incredible her own incredible investigative work that that fed into the book. Um was that this is basically
26:3026 minutes, 30 secondslike imagine a a polite dinner party where somebody emits a disgusting fart.
26:3626 minutes, 36 secondsEverybody has to leave the room. It changes all their behavior, but none of them can mention it. And I feel like that's what it is. Like I've changed everybody's behavior, but nobody for
26:4426 minutes, 44 secondsvarious polite reasons, none of them can acknowledge that that's what's actually caused it to happen. So this this weird situation where often I'll have a story which I'm reading and because the story
26:5226 minutes, 52 secondsis actually about me and my experience of the things are broken, things done to me, and a I've never been approached for comment and b they don't even acknowledge me. There's such a weird
27:0027 minutesexperience. I'm like a ghost in the machine that's making it move around and have all these effects and nobody will acknowledge it. It's very weird. Paul Holden, the disgusting fart. Thank you very much for joining us again.
27:1227 minutes, 12 secondsPaul Holden's new revelations were published in the Financial Times and the website Democracy for Sale on Wednesday afternoon. As I record this, they've
27:2027 minutes, 20 secondsreceived limited pickup, but they're important. The revelations Labor Together has been spying on Times
27:2727 minutes, 27 secondsjournalists caused a media storm. The fact that Starmer's inner circle were implicated takes the scandal to a whole
27:3427 minutes, 34 secondsnew level. Perhaps the fact the new emails mention Paul Holden, but not mainstream media journalists is the
27:4127 minutes, 41 secondsexplanation. To anyone who's followed this story, Morgan Mcween's involvement will come as no surprise. Dodgy dossier
27:4827 minutes, 48 secondshave been the modus operandi of the labor right for at least a decade.
27:5227 minutes, 52 secondsCountless perfectly decent, ordinary Labour Party members have their lives and reputations ruined as a result of anonymous accusations against which they
28:0128 minutes, 1 secondhad no comeback. The targets were people on the left and disproportionately Jews and Muslims. The East Ham and West Ham
28:1028 minutes, 10 secondsconstituency labor parties in East London were suspended as a result of a secret dossier local members were not even aware existed until researchers
28:1828 minutes, 18 secondsfrom the Alazer series the Labour files obtained it and showed it to them. An ethnic audit of Labour's disciplinary
28:2528 minutes, 25 secondsprocedures is desperately needed. Paul Holden would have been just another victim. his life and career destroyed
28:3328 minutes, 33 secondsbut for three factors. Firstly, he's a very good journalist and through contacts obtained copies of the reports
28:4028 minutes, 40 secondson him. Secondly, the National Cyber Security Center proved conscientious and professional and saw through Labor Together's crude attempts to frame him.
28:5028 minutes, 50 secondsThirdly, incompetent researchers at the PR firm APco included mainstream media journalists in their smears, prompting a backlash.
29:0029 minutesEven so, the Guardian was initially quite prepared to be a vehicle for smears against Paul and only backed off when he threatened legal action. The
29:0929 minutes, 9 secondsStar McWeeny project never had the confidence to charm, cajol, or persuade.
29:1429 minutes, 14 secondsInstead, it relied on the clunking fist of the party's disciplinary unit and a compliant, complicit media prepared to
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsswallow any smear against the left, no matter how absurd. Today, it stands exposed as an empty, soulless husk of a
29:3129 minutes, 31 secondspolitical movement, visibly withering and dying before our eyes. Its end can't come soon enough. Next up, Lorna with
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsthe news in brief from independent media.
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Chapter 5: Newswatch in Brief
29:4429 minutes, 44 secondsThe Israeli newspaper Herets reports that Israeli soldiers stationed in southern Lebanon are complaining about an erosion of operational discipline
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondswith commanders ordering unnecessary daytime missions that expose troops to Hezbollah's explosive drones. Israeli operations in southern Lebanon have
30:0130 minutes, 1 secondlargely focused on the systematic destruction of buildings, replicating Israeli activity in Gaza. Military personnel told Harets that these
30:0930 minutes, 9 secondsmissions violate existing safety directives designed to mitigate the evolving drone threat by favoring nighttime movement and signal a
30:1730 minutes, 17 secondsprioritization of infrastructure demolition over troop safety. A special report for Scotland's national newspaper
30:2430 minutes, 24 secondsexposes a neo-Nazi fight club that is increasingly targeting Scottish teens for recruitment. The Calonia Club, as
30:3130 minutes, 31 secondsit's known, forms part of a wider international white supremacist network.
30:3630 minutes, 36 secondsFirst promoted in 2017 by American extremist Robert Rondo, the club model is described as a wolf in sheep's clothing, promising disillusioned young
30:4430 minutes, 44 secondsmen, fitness, brotherhood, identity, and self-improvement while delivering extremist indoctrination and militia style training. Middle East eye reports
30:5430 minutes, 54 secondsthat a Palestine action prisoner with muscular distrophe is being forced to crawl like a wounded dog in a London prison. Muhammad Umar Khaled has been
31:0231 minutes, 2 secondsheld on Ramand since July 2025 with his mobility deteriorating significantly to the point where he can no longer walk.
31:1031 minutes, 10 secondsKhaled missed several neurology appointments after the prison failed to supply a wheelchair and the one eventually provided was too big to fit
31:1731 minutes, 17 secondsin his cell. During a fire evacuation in April, he was left alone, locked up in his cell. Khaled says, "They're quite
31:2531 minutes, 25 secondsliterally treating me as if I am just some wounded animal." Sources have told Middle East I that last month the International Criminal Court filed a
31:3431 minutes, 34 secondssecret arrest warrant application for Israel's finance minister Bezel Smatridge for war crimes and crimes against humanity against Palestinians in
31:4331 minutes, 43 secondsthe occupied West Bank. Smottridge lives in a West Bank settlement considered illegal under international law and is a
31:5031 minutes, 50 secondsloud proponent of annexing the territory and for the return of Israeli settlers to Gaza. The ICC already has arrest
31:5831 minutes, 58 secondswarrants out for Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Former Minister for Defense Yo.
32:1332 minutes, 13 secondsArsenal may have won the title, but it's Liverpool who are on top of a league that no one should want to win. War on Want has produced a report listing
32:2032 minutes, 20 secondsPremier League football clubs by the degree of complicity of their sponsors in Israeli apartheid and war crimes.
32:2732 minutes, 27 secondsLiverpool comes top because of its association with Alphabet, a cloud service provider for Israeli surveillance systems and Expedia, which
32:3532 minutes, 35 secondsoffers rentals in illegal Israeli settlements. The report calls on clubs to adopt clear ethical sponsorship standards.
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Chapter 6: Is Iran Behind Antisemitism Attacks? (A)
32:4632 minutes, 46 secondsIn recent months, London's Jewish community has been traumatized by a series of arson attacks. The best known was the burning of four ambulances
32:5432 minutes, 54 secondsbelonging to the Jewish charity Hatzah at the end of March. The attacks have been claimed by an organization called Harakat Ashab alyamin al-Islamia, which
33:0333 minutes, 3 secondsmeans Islamic movement of the companions of the righteous, which police say is linked to Iranian intelligence. A number
33:1033 minutes, 10 secondsof those arrested were petty paid criminals. Combined with the lethal attack on a synagogue in Manchester last October and the stabbing of two Jewish
33:1933 minutes, 19 secondsmen in Gold's Green 3 weeks ago, the attacks have caused very real fear and distress. It's a subject that requires
33:2733 minutes, 27 secondsthe most serious journalism. Instead, we get this. We've been offered money to commit crimes in the UK, apparently on
33:3633 minutes, 36 secondsbehalf of Iran. Our undercover team has been speaking to a man on Telegram who claims to be linked to Iran's
33:4333 minutes, 43 secondsintelligence service. And within just 15 messages, we were given a job. Print out a photo of Trump and Netanyahu, they
33:5133 minutes, 51 secondssaid. Set it on fire in one of London's famous streets and send a video of it.
33:5633 minutes, 56 secondsThis is the first step in building trust and I will pay for it.
34:0034 minutesThat's from the radio station LBC. Now, if you're perhaps skeptical that you can actually contact Iran's intelligence
34:0834 minutes, 8 secondsservices through a telegram page and they'll pay you a fiverr to carry out attacks in London, LPC had experts lined
34:1534 minutes, 15 secondsup. First of all, the Henry Jackson Society.
34:1834 minutes, 18 secondsWhat you found at LBC is uh completely part of a a pattern that has existed for
34:2534 minutes, 25 secondsa number of years now. Iranian the RGC in general um forces have shifted to
34:3234 minutes, 32 secondsusing proxy by hire um methods to recruit locals.
34:3734 minutes, 37 secondsThe Henry Jackson Society is a right-wing security think tank which advocates aggressively for an interventionist foreign policy. It is
34:4634 minutes, 46 secondsnot a respected source of counterterrorism analysis. It gets worse. Next, the campaign against
34:5334 minutes, 53 secondsanti-semitism. It's quite something now to see it in black and white. If anyone ever doubted it, it's incontrovertible
35:0135 minutes, 1 secondproof that this country is being subverted subverted by foreign influence.
35:0635 minutes, 6 secondsOkay, let's just dwell for a moment on the campaign against anti-semitism. It recently brought a court case against the comedian Reginald Hunter for
35:1435 minutes, 14 secondsanti-semitism, which was thrown out by the judge in extraordinarily contemptuous terms. The true and sole motive in seeking to prosecute Regginal
35:2235 minutes, 22 secondsHunter is to have him cancelled, the judge ruled. I have no doubt that the prosecution is abusive. He also described it as misleading and
35:3135 minutes, 31 secondsvexacious. He concluded, I direct that a copy of this judgment must be disclosed by the campaign against anti-semitism
35:3935 minutes, 39 secondsand attached by it in all future applications. In other words, the judge found the campaign against anti-semitism's behaviors so dishonest,
35:4735 minutes, 47 secondshe actually ruled that a health warning be attached to any future legal actions brought by them. Incredibly, the BBC
35:5535 minutes, 55 secondscontinues to interview the campaign against anti-semitism as representative of the broader Jewish community. It's
36:0136 minutes, 1 secondquite absurd that LBC uses them as counterterrorism experts. We decided it might be a good idea to speak to someone who actually knows what they're talking
36:1036 minutes, 10 secondsabout. We invited in an independent American investigator with a fascinating backstory. So James, thank you for joining us.
Chapter 7: Former FBI Agent: "We know where the fear narrative originates from" (B)
36:1836 minutes, 18 secondsThank you for having me.
36:1936 minutes, 19 secondsHow is it you became involved in the world of radical Islamic groups originally?
36:2336 minutes, 23 secondsWell, I converted to Islam in uh 1997 in Chicago, Illinois, and uh ended up moving to Houston, Texas, where I became
36:3236 minutes, 32 secondsa media representative for the Islamic Circle of North America. also creating a
36:3836 minutes, 38 secondslaw enforcement program on uh diversity and um hate crimes. In the course of these training programs that I would do
36:4636 minutes, 46 secondsmonthly, I came across a uh a plot by my own friends uh who were working closely with me on these programs um to join
36:5536 minutes, 55 secondsal-Qaeda in Iraq. I had a contact in the FBI at that time. I was concerned. I didn't really want to uh tell on my
37:0337 minutes, 3 secondsfriends or anything like that, but I brought it to them as a concern and um they obviously picked that up and
37:1137 minutes, 11 secondsthought it was a real a real threat. And so I eventually decided to um try to head that off and um worked with the FBI.
37:2037 minutes, 20 secondsSo you you were effectively undercover within this organization for Yes, I was undercover for 3 years.
37:2637 minutes, 26 secondsYou now live in Britain. You've lived in Britain for some years. These attacks that have happened in North London, they've been claimed by a group. It's Harakat Ashab alyamin. They are
37:3537 minutes, 35 secondssupposedly according to press reports Iranian aligned. What do you make of them? Does it seem like an authentic group to you?
37:4337 minutes, 43 secondsTo me, uh, it seems more fictitious, not fictional, but fictitious. They are presenting themselves as something that
37:5137 minutes, 51 secondsthey're not. They produce their statements in three languages um Arabic, English and Hebrew but they do not
37:5937 minutes, 59 secondsproduce in Persian um in far in the language of Iran. Yeah, that that's right. That's right.
38:0438 minutes, 4 secondsYou feel there's a problem with the Arabic as well that they use.
38:0738 minutes, 7 secondsYes. Particularly the Arabic and I looked at their uh their foundational statement which has a Quran verse on it
38:1638 minutes, 16 secondsand in that Quran verse the word jahidu is misspelled. Jahidu meaning means to strive which is a command. Religious
38:2438 minutes, 24 secondsMuslim groups certainly would not um misspell the Quran.
38:2938 minutes, 29 secondsThere's an issue as well as I understand it that they use the term the land of Israel eritz Israel.
38:3438 minutes, 34 secondsThis is something that I found very striking. So the land of Israel or Erits Israel is something very dear to the heart of a Zion a religious Zionist. Um
38:4338 minutes, 43 secondsa Muslim group particularly axis of resistance is not going to say the land of Israel. They might say Zionist entity or they might say the occupation.
38:5238 minutes, 52 secondsAlso the idea that they're Iranian aligned. Now this has been repeated again and again across the media. They themselves don't claim that in any way
39:0039 minutesdo they? You've written about this and identified what you call a pipeline by which this story emerged and which connected this group to talk talk me through that.
39:0839 minutes, 8 secondsYes. I discovered this pipeline what I call a um a laundering of information pipeline. It first appears in an article
39:1639 minutes, 16 secondsin the long journal by the Federation of the Defense of Democracies, which is a pro-Israel group, pro-Israel special
39:2439 minutes, 24 secondsinterest group. And that is the very first suggestion of it, but it is picked up by the Israeli Ministry of Diaspora Affairs. And what they did is formalize
39:3439 minutes, 34 secondsthis piece by creating a report, publishing it on their website. It's quite a detailed report from that uh
39:4039 minutes, 40 secondssource. Um it it is picked up by the uh international center for counterterrorism which is in and of
39:4739 minutes, 47 secondsitself an independent organization but based on the Israeli information um it suddenly became uh laundered. It
39:5639 minutes, 56 secondsbecame something that our media can pick up and uh and publish themselves. I've read through these reports. Their
40:0540 minutes, 5 secondsevidence for this this group being Iranian linked is that the statement put out by the group is picked up initially by pro-Iranian Shia militias in Iraq.
40:1740 minutes, 17 secondsThey may simply have picked it up. I mean they they may have seen this video or had it pushed towards them and this is the sort of thing they publicized. So they publicized it.
40:2540 minutes, 25 secondsExactly. That's that's very possible.
40:2740 minutes, 27 secondsIn this context I I want to show you another video here.
40:4340 minutes, 43 secondsThat is a video that's being shot within 5 minutes of the attack happening. The the voice you can hear is speaking in Yiddish. Um so almost certainly a member
40:5140 minutes, 51 secondsof the local Orthodox community. They're there within sort of five minutes of of the attack happening. Um the voice is saying there's no one else here. I'm the
40:5940 minutes, 59 secondsonly one here. There's no one from the um from the emergency services. Now, what's fascinating about that video is
41:0641 minutes, 6 secondsthat it is reproduced on the the X feed of a man called Moshi Schvartz who works for a well-known um news outlet, media
41:1641 minutes, 16 secondsoutlet in New York, which services the Orthodox community. And it's reproduced by and and he reproduces he posts
41:2341 minutes, 23 secondsidentifying it as an anti-semitic attack. Okay? and he posted within 24 minutes of it happening which is very very fast. Now to be very clear here I'm
41:3341 minutes, 33 secondsnot saying that that means they must have had prior knowledge and are complicit. All I'm pointing out and you know orthodox communities are very close-knit. This man was a very
41:4141 minutes, 41 secondswell-known journalist. You know it's perfectly possible that that the information does transmit itself that quickly. I'm just comparing it with this
41:4941 minutes, 49 secondsevidence of the Iraqi Shia groups and pointing out that the speed with which something is reported by an outlet does not mean necessarily that they are complicit.
41:5941 minutes, 59 secondsRight? And I think that we should be very careful about who we say um is who is this group? Uh and we know who it
42:0942 minutes, 9 secondsisn't, right? It is not likely not an Islamic group is likely not a Shia group that is linked to Iran. Um, but we don't
42:1842 minutes, 18 secondsknow who the group is and I think that we know who uh the uh fear narrative originates from.
42:2642 minutes, 26 secondsJames, thank you very much for joining us.
42:2942 minutes, 29 secondsThank you for having me, Richard. Events in London are following a very similar pattern to a series of attacks on Jewish property in Australia in 2024 and 2025.
Chapter 8: Antony Loewenstein Investigates Australia's Attacks: "It's murky" (C)
42:3942 minutes, 39 secondsI spoke to a Jewish Australian journalist I enormously admire. His name is Anthony Loenstein. He's the author of a superb book on how Israel achieved
42:4842 minutes, 48 secondspreeminence in the fields of security and surveillance called the Palestine Laboratory. He's also presented a number of documentaries on Al Jazzer. So
42:5742 minutes, 57 secondsAnthony, talk me through what happened in Australia last year with these arson attacks and so on. So really since
43:0443 minutes, 4 secondsOctober 7, 2023, there was pretty soon after the attack in uh Israel, there was
43:1243 minutes, 12 secondsa I wouldn't say explosion, but there was a rise in anti-Semitic attacks, apparently anti-Semitic attacks, graffiti dorbed on synagogues, on
43:2243 minutes, 22 secondsbuildings, on cars. There were fire bombings of synagogues. There were other attacks across Sydney and Melbourne. No
43:3043 minutes, 30 secondsone in those attacks were killed, but it understandably caused disqu in the Jewish community.
43:3743 minutes, 37 secondsThe thing that caught my eye about the Australian attacks is, as I understand it, it emerged that many of the people who were subsequently arrested, and
43:4443 minutes, 44 secondsthere were arrests and trials and so on, they turned out to be petty criminals who are being paid. Is that right?
43:4943 minutes, 49 secondsCorrect. So, essentially, there's been a number of arrests in the last about 6 to 12 months. There's been number of trials. And I think I'm confident in
43:5943 minutes, 59 secondssaying in every single case it was shown and this was shown by the prosecution rather than the defense. None of these
44:0644 minutes, 6 secondswere ideological people. They were not haters of Israel. They were not haters of Jews. They were not anti-ic they weren't I'm not defending their actions
44:1444 minutes, 14 secondsbut I'm saying it wasn't based on a you know fanatical anti-semitism. It wasn't that at all. They were being paid by
44:2444 minutes, 24 secondscriminal groups that was established and that in some ways added to the confusion of people of wondering well what the hell is going on here? Why is this being
44:3244 minutes, 32 secondsdone and who who's whose agenda is being served by these kinds of attacks?
44:3744 minutes, 37 secondsWell, it begs the question who who was at the end of the chain who was paying them. So what emerged in the end?
44:4144 minutes, 41 secondsBecause I think in the end the Australian government did point the finger at Iran, didn't they?
44:4544 minutes, 45 secondsIndeed. So in the end there was a hastily called press conference last year by Anthony Albani our prime minister the head of AIO our
44:5244 minutes, 52 secondsintelligence services essentially saying that after a lot of investigation it was established that Iran was behind this this is this is what they said they
45:0045 minutesdidn't present any hard evidence for this but Iran was blamed within a matter of days the Iranian ambassador to Australia was kicked out of the country
45:0845 minutes, 8 secondsand when this was announced I think a lot of people including colleagues of mine journalistic colleagues were on the one hand fascinated by what was being
45:1745 minutes, 17 secondsalleged, but also slightly baffled when still to this day. There's been no evidence. Hard evidence showing the government says we can't release
45:2545 minutes, 25 secondsevidence. We've been told that the Israelis did provide some assistance in the investigation, which obviously did ring a few alarm bells. Doesn't
45:3345 minutes, 33 secondsautomatically mean it's suspect, but certainly it rings alarm bells. So, here we are months and months after the prime
45:4145 minutes, 41 secondsminister makes this pretty startling allegation and we're not really any closer to understanding why did Iran do
45:4945 minutes, 49 secondsthis. I am still left with a lot more questions than answers as many of my colleagues are.
45:5545 minutes, 55 secondsNow, the Iranian foreign minister at the time that the Iranian ambassador was kicked out said well he denied that it
46:0246 minutes, 2 secondswas Iran behind it and said why would we do this? what what what possible interest does it serve? Hasn't he got a point? I mean, how does this serve Iran's interest?
46:1046 minutes, 10 secondsIt's a good question. The so-called logic would be that these kinds of attacks create insecurity for Australia,
46:1746 minutes, 17 secondsinsecurity for Jews, and therefore it creates disqu.
46:2446 minutes, 24 secondsIt's a different it's a form of warfare without launching an official war. Now,
46:3146 minutes, 31 secondsis it credible? Um, I don't think it's impossible that's the case. It's also possible that it's complete nonsense that Iran was not behind this at all.
46:4246 minutes, 42 secondsAnd the only group in some ways that really have benefited from these
46:4946 minutes, 49 secondsattacks, when I say benefited, I'm not talking in a financial sense, but benefited in a maybe ideological sense
46:5646 minutes, 56 secondsactually in a way are the so-called pro-Israel community here in Australia.
47:0047 minutesI don't want to dismiss it entirely, but I think it's a mistake to automatically presume that it was definitely Iran as the Australian government has claimed.
47:0847 minutes, 8 secondsIt's really murky. I mean, that's the reality. And there is a long history of various false flag attacks that have
47:1747 minutes, 17 secondshappened in the past historically committed by not just Israel, but certainly Israel in the last nearly 70 years in various countries in the Middle
47:2547 minutes, 25 secondsEast and beyond. Is it conceivable that the Israelis would do this? Because if you look at who who benefits, it's very
47:3247 minutes, 32 secondshard to see how the Iranians benefit, but certainly here the attacks are instantly used to drive the narrative, the political narrative that there needs
47:4147 minutes, 41 secondsto be a crackdown on pro Palestinian demonstrations. Was that the same in Australia?
47:4547 minutes, 45 secondsAbsolutely. Indeed. I mean, Australia has had like the UK, of course, they're a smaller country, but very, very large pro Palestine protests for week after
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsweek after week. the numbers are a bit smaller than your country, of course, cuz we're a lot small population. And there's no doubt that it was used by
48:0148 minutes, 1 secondpro-Israel forces, conservative politicians, and frankly, even elements of the Labor government here. And the
48:0848 minutes, 8 secondsimpact, I think, has been to some extent had a bit of a chilling effect on many people who would normally have protested in the past. Does Israel have any sort
48:1648 minutes, 16 secondsof a track record of launching false flags in the past, doing attacks which it sought to blame on its enemies? I mean the short answer is yes. This is
48:2548 minutes, 25 secondsnot conjecture or my opinion. There's strong evidence that for example in the early 1950s soon after the establishment
48:3248 minutes, 32 secondsof Israel there was a desire to get more Jews essentially in the Jewish state.
48:3848 minutes, 38 secondsAnd there were Israeli intelligence officers who committed terrorist acts in for example Baghdad which now has very few Jews but at the time had far more.
48:4748 minutes, 47 secondsthat's been wouldn't say 100% proven but pretty likely that it was committed by um Israeli intelligence officers in the
48:5648 minutes, 56 secondsidea that it would scare Jews to leave and come to Israel to be uh new arrivals. Ari Ben Manasha who was a
49:0549 minutes, 5 secondsformer Israeli intelligence officer who is currently a businessman in Canada. He wrote a book a number of years ago talking about these issues about Israel
49:1449 minutes, 14 secondsand yes he's a controversial figure and some people contest what he says but he has alleged in a number of cases over
49:2249 minutes, 22 secondsthe years particularly in the 70s and 80s that Israel was directly involved in paying certain Palestinian groups to
49:2949 minutes, 29 secondscommit terrorism rather than so not necessarily the attacks don't happen but they're actually being paid to commit terrorism
49:3949 minutes, 39 secondsagainst various interests which are then used by Israel to support its agenda. So has this happened in the past? Yes.
49:4849 minutes, 48 secondsIs it conceivable it's happening again?
49:5049 minutes, 50 secondsYes. Doesn't necessarily mean that what's happening in the UK or Australia is that. And it's worth saying that in
49:5849 minutes, 58 secondsthe last year and a half since these attacks have happened in Australia, myself as a journalist and many others have tried to do a lot of investigation
50:0550 minutes, 5 secondsto find out any evidence to back up whether Iran is behind it or Israel is
50:1350 minutes, 13 secondsbehind it or you know Vanuatu is behind it. God knows who. And the short answer is we found very little or sorry but with Israel zero.
50:2450 minutes, 24 secondsEven with Iran, there's not much publicly available evidence beyond what the government intelligence services
50:3150 minutes, 31 secondssay. So you're left with a as someone who's, as you have, Richard, written about intelligence services for a long time. Do they lie? Yes. Is it also
50:4050 minutes, 40 secondspossible it's true? Yes. So you're kind of left in the middle, right? It's very hard to know. Now, we should be very clear here that we're talking about
50:4850 minutes, 48 secondsattacks in Australia or in Britain in the last couple of years, which are attacks of vandalism on Jewish properties, synagogues, and so on. There
50:5650 minutes, 56 secondsare attacks against property. We're not talking here about the the terrible shootings at Bondai Beach, the murders indeed Manchester. It's very important to make that distinction. We're not talking about those attacks.
51:0551 minutes, 5 secondsNo. And the attacks on Bondi, which happened on the 14th of December last year, were from what we now know was almost certainly ISIS inspired ISIS
51:1451 minutes, 14 secondsbacked attacks by two men, the father and the son. The father was shot, the son is facing trial and will be on trial in the next couple of years. But no, there is which is a very different case.
51:2551 minutes, 25 secondsAnd also, it's important to say it's not necessarily binary that it's either the Iranians or the Israelis. I mean, there have been a number of very strange and murky cases in recent years. There was a
51:3351 minutes, 33 secondscase in 2017, wasn't there, when there was a whole wave of threats uh against synagogues and so on. It turned out to
51:4151 minutes, 41 secondsbe a sort of rogue Israeli who wasn't working for the Israeli state. In fact, he was eventually imprisoned in Israel.
51:4651 minutes, 46 secondsSo, there's that third option, isn't there?
51:4851 minutes, 48 secondsYes. Someone who is mentally unstable, someone who is sick, someone who might
51:5551 minutes, 55 secondshave a certain feeling about what's happening in the Middle East, but not necessarily ideological. I think that is worth saying, but I think it does play
52:0352 minutes, 3 secondsinto that narrative that says that it's unsafe for Jews and therefore governments and media have a supposed responsibility to almost cushion the
52:1252 minutes, 12 secondsJewish community in cotton wool and not ask the legitimate serious questions that exist. And in Australia at least and I know in the UK with some
52:1952 minutes, 19 secondsexceptions those kind of questions are not being asked deliberately. As you say, it's all extremely murky.
52:2752 minutes, 27 secondsUm, thank you very much for joining us Anthony. Thanks for having me, Richard.
Chapter 9: Final Thoughts...
52:3152 minutes, 31 secondsWe thought long and hard before exploring this subject because it inevitably opens you up to charges of being an anti-semitic conspiracy
52:3952 minutes, 39 secondstheorist. If you think that, just do the research, do the leg work, and take a look at the trials arising from attacks
52:4752 minutes, 47 secondson Jewish property over the last few years. It's extraordinary how often it turns out not to have been an
52:5452 minutes, 54 secondsanti-semite. In contrast, the far more numerous, but far less reported attacks on mosques and other Muslim sites have
53:0153 minutes, 1 secondinvariably turned out to be precisely what you would expect, right-wing racists. The reporting of these stories
53:0853 minutes, 8 secondsis causing very real distress to the Jewish community. They're also patently being used to drive anti-Palestinian
53:1653 minutes, 16 secondspolitical agendas. To simply swallow unquestioningly what you're being fed by the government, the police, and the security services is journalistically
53:2453 minutes, 24 secondsunprofessional and irresponsible. In fact, it's not journalism at all. We'll see you next week.
53:3553 minutes, 35 secondsHere at Doubledown News Watch, we depend on you. We have no billionaire owners or sugar daddies. It's that which enables us to be fearless and independent in our
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요약
최근 런던에서 유대인 자선단체의 구급차 방화 사건을 비롯해 유대인 시설을 겨냥한 일련의 방화 공격이 발생하여 유대인 사회에 큰 공포와 고통을 안겨주었다. 경찰과 주류 언론은 이 공격을 감행했다고 주장하는 조직 <하라카트 아샤브 알야민 알이슬라미아(Harakat Ashab alyamin al-Islamia)>가 이란 정보부와 연계되어 있다고 발표했다. 그러나 녹취록은 이러한 <이란 배후설>에 대해 강한 의문을 제기하며, 전직 FBI 비밀 요원 제임스와 유대계 호주인 저널리스트 앤서니 로웬스타인의 인터뷰를 통해 사건의 이면을 파헤친다.
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1. 이란 연계설의 모순과 허구성 (전 FBI 요원 제임스의 분석)
언어적 오류와 모순: 해당 조직은 성명서를 아랍어, 영어, 히브리어로 발표하면서도 정작 이란의 공식 언어인 페르시아어(파르시어)는 사용하지 않는다. 또한 아랍어 성명서 기초문헌에 포함된 코란 구절에서 단어 오기(jahidu의 철자 틀림)가 발견되었는데, 이는 정통 이슬람 무장 단체라면 결코 하지 않을 실수다.
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시온주의적 표현 사용: 이들은 이슬람 저항 세력이 흔히 쓰는 <시온주의 엔티티>나 <점령지>라는 표현 대신, 종교적 시온주의자들이 주로 사용하는 <이스라엘 땅(Eritz Israel)>이라는 용어를 사용했다.
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정보 세탁 파이프라인: 조사 결과, 이 조직과 이란의 연계설은 친이스라엘 이익집단인 <민주주의 수호재단(FDD)>의 기사에서 처음 제기되었고, 이후 이스라엘 디아스포라부의 보고서를 거쳐 국제대테러센터(ICCT) 등의 기관을 통해 주류 언론으로 유포되며 <정보 세탁> 과정을 거쳤다.
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2. 호주 방화 사건과의 유사성 (저널리스트 앤서니 로웬스타인의 분석)
돈을 받은 잡범들의 소행: 2024~2025년 호주 시드니와 멜버른에서 발생한 유대인 시설 방화 사건의 체포자들은 이념이나 반유대주의적 증오가 없는, 단순히 돈을 받고 고용된 잡범(페티 크리미널)들이었다. 런던 사건 역시 체포된 이들 중 다수가 돈을 받은 잡범으로 밝혀졌다.
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증거 없는 정부 발표와 이스라엘의 개입: 호주 안토니 알바니지 총리와 정보기관(ASIO)은 이란을 배후로 지목하고 이란 대사를 추방했으나, 현재까지 구체적인 물증을 제시하지 못했다. 이 조사 과정에 이스라엘 측의 정보 지원이 있었음이 밝혀져 의구심을 자아낸다.
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3. 공격의 정치적 수혜자
반팔레스타인 여론 조성: 이란이 타국에서 이러한 방화 행위를 저질러 얻을 이익은 불분명하다. 반면, 이 사건들은 즉각적으로 친이스라엘 세력과 보수 정치인들에 의해 <가자지구 전쟁 반대 및 친팔레스타인 시위를 탄압하고 제한해야 한다>는 정치적 내러티브를 강화하는 도구로 활용되었다. 과거 이스라엘 정보기관이 유대인들의 이주를 독려하거나 자국 승리를 위해 타국에서 민간인을 매수해 공포 조장 작전(가짜 깃발 작전)을 펼쳤던 역사적 선례도 존재한다.
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분석 평론: <정보 세탁과 내러티브 이면의 정치학>
본 텍스트는 테러리즘과 반유대주의라는 민감한 사회적 이슈가 어떻게 특정 정치적 목적을 위해 왜곡되고 소비될 수 있는지를 보여주는 전형적인 언론 비판론이다. 저널리즘이 권력과 정보기관의 발표를 무비판적으로 수용할 때 발생하는 위험성을 날카롭게 지적하고 있다.
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1. 허술한 뼈대 위에 세워진 <이란 공포 내러티브>
전직 FBI 요원의 언어학적, 종교학적 분석은 주류 언론이 보도하는 <이란 배후설>의 실체가 얼마나 취약한지 폭로한다. 이슬람 극단주의 단체를 자처하면서 코란의 철자를 틀리고, 적대 세력의 핵심 아이덴티티인 <이스라엘 땅(Eritz Israel)>이라는 용어를 사용하는 모순은 이 조직이 고도로 기획된 <가짜 깃발(False Flag)> 조직이거나, 최소한 이란 정보부와 무관한 제3의 세력일 가능성을 강하게 시사한다. 그럼에도 불구하고 주류 언론이 이를 <이란의 위협>으로 단정 짓는 것은, 복잡한 사실 확인보다 자극적이고 익숙한 <악마화 프레임>을 선택하는 게 언론 생리상 용이하기 때문이다.
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2. 싱크탱크와 정보기관의 <정보 세탁> 메커니즘
텍스트에서 가장 주목할 만한 분석은 <민주주의 수호재단(FDD)>에서 시작해 이스라엘 정부 기관을 거쳐 주류 언론으로 이어지는 <정보 세탁 파이프라인>의 폭로다. 이는 현대 사회에서 특정 국가나 이익집단이 어떻게 합법적인 연구 기관의 탈을 쓰고 자신들의 정치적 의도를 공신력 있는 정보로 둔갑시키는지를 보여준다. 일단 이 파이프라인을 통과한 정보는 <대테러 전문가의 견해>라는 권위를 획득하며, LBC나 BBC 같은 공영 언론은 검증 없이 이를 대중에게 유포하는 확성기 역할을 수행하게 된다.
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3. 결과론적 수혜자와 본질의 왜곡
호주와 영국의 사례에서 공통적으로 나타나듯, 방화 사건의 실행범들이 이념적 확신범이 아닌 <돈으로 매수된 범죄자>라는 점은 이 사건의 본질이 종교·문화적 증오 범죄가 아닐 수 있음을 암시한다. 그러나 이 사건의 결과로 형성된 사회적 분위기는 명백히 친이스라엘 세력과 보수 정부의 시위 탄압 기조에 힘을 실어주었다.
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평론가는 사건의 비극성과 유대인 사회가 느끼는 실제적 공포를 부인하지 않는다. 다만, 그 공포가 유발하는 사회적 에너지가 전쟁 반대 목소리를 억누르고 반팔레스타인 의제를 밀어붙이는 정치적 도구로 오용되는 현상을 경계한다.
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결론
결국 이 섹션이 던지는 핵심 메시지는 <누가 범행을 저질렀는가>를 넘어, <이 범죄를 통해 누가 이익을 얻는가(Cui bono)>라는 고전적인 질문으로 귀결된다. 주류 언론이 정부와 정보기관의 맹목적인 대변인으로 전락한 시대에, 독립 언론이 지녀야 할 마땅한 비판적 시각과 심층 탐사의 필요성을 역설하는 묵직한 고발장이라 평할 수 있다.
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