Religious Jews are asked about the Talmud
Corey Gil-Shuster
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영상 <탈무드에 대해 질문받은 종교적 유대인들>(Religious Jews are asked about the Talmud)의 녹취록에 대한 요약과 평론입니다.
<요약>
본 영상은 진행자 코리 길-슈스터(Corey Gil-Shuster)가 서안지구 정착촌과 예루살렘의 정통파 유대인들에게 인터넷 등에 유포된 탈무드의 반(反)이방인 구절에 대해 묻고 답을 듣는 인터뷰 기록이다. 질문은 주로 '비유대인은 인간이 아닌 짐승인가', '이방인을 속이거나 죽여도 되는가', '비유대인의 영혼은 불결한가'와 같은 극단적인 주장들에 집중된다.
정착촌의 종교적 시온주의자들은 살인이나 사기 허용 설에 대해 "말도 안 되는 소리"라 일축하며, 성경과 유대법은 모든 인간에 대한 도덕성과 정직을 엄격히 명령한다고 반박한다. '아쿠밈(Akumim)'은 별과 별자리를 섬기는 우상숭배자를 가리키는 약어일 뿐 현대의 기독교인이나 무슬림과는 무관하다고 설명한다. 탈무드 구절 중 "너희는 사람이라 불리나 비유대인은 사람이 아니다"라는 표현에 대해서는 인류 전체의 생물학적 배제가 아니라, 신의 형상과 계명을 실천해야 하는 이스라엘 민족의 영적 소명과 역할을 뜻하는 맥락이라고 해명한다.
반면 예루살렘의 초정통파(하레디) 구역 인터뷰에서는 보다 극단적인 민족주의적 종교관이 드러난다. 일부 인물은 신의 형상을 따르는 도덕적 통제력을 근거로 들며 비유대인을 '짐승'이나 '신이 유대인을 섬기도록 창조한 존재'로 묘사하고, 메시아 시대에 이방인이 유대인의 노예가 될 것이라는 주장을 가감 없이 펼친다. 그러면서도 살인이나 사기에 대해서는 유대법상 명백한 금기이자 죄악임을 분명히 하며 전면 부인한다.
<평론>
텍스트를 맥락 없이 문자 그대로 떼어내 혐오를 생산하는 외부의 시선과, 배타적 선민의식에 갇혀 외부 세계를 타자화하는 내부의 시선이 어떻게 충돌하는지 생생하게 드러낸다.
영상 전반부의 종교적 시온주의자들은 탈무드의 문헌학적 맥락과 율법의 보편 도덕을 강조하며 변증을 시도한다. 탈무드는 단일한 교리집이 아니라 수세기에 걸친 논쟁과 비유, 과장법이 혼재된 토론 기록이기에 파편화된 인용구는 본래 의미를 심각하게 왜곡한다는 점을 짚는다. 이들은 유대교의 핵심 가치가 정직과 생명 존중에 있음을 분명히 밝히며 외부의 악의적 프레임에 방어선을 친다.
그러나 후반부 하레디 집단과의 대화는 유대교 내부의 심각한 맹점을 숨김없이 노출한다. 외부 세계와 단절된 채 살아가는 이들은 비유대인을 개인으로 접해본 적이 없다고 인정하면서도, 신문이나 편견에 기대어 비유대인을 도덕 통제력이 결여된 존재나 종속적 도구로 규정한다. 메시아 시대의 노예 담론이나 '신을 믿지 않으면 아무것도 아니다'라는 독선은, 박해의 역사 속에서 형성된 방어적 배타주의가 게토화된 종교 공동체 안에서 얼마나 폭력적인 우월주의로 고착되었는지를 보여준다.
결국 이 인터뷰는 반유대주의적 선동이 사용하는 악마화 기제와, 근본주의 종교 집단이 품고 있는 배타적 선민의식이라는 양극단의 민낯을 동시에 포착한다. 복잡한 고대 텍스트를 현대적 혐오의 도구로 악용하는 것도 경계해야 하지만, 거룩함과 선민의 이름을 빌려 타민족의 인격을 격하시키는 종교적 오만 또한 비판을 피하기 어렵다는 점을 날카롭게 증명한다.
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0:3838 secondsYaakov (Religious Zionist) Tekoa (West Bank settlement)
1:171 minute, 17 secondsRambam
2:042 minutes, 4 seconds-I am sure you can find an extremist group In any group of people you can find...
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsIf you point that thing at me You will have to buy a new one I am telling you I don't like being filmed In any group of people you will find the extremists
2:162 minutes, 16 secondswho will say everyone else is the infidel
2:282 minutes, 28 secondsAsk first before you point a camera at someone Akumim (idolators)
2:392 minutes, 39 secondsNot 'akum' (bent) Something about the stars those that don't believe in one God
2:502 minutes, 50 secondsRead me the verse No, I don't have it in Hebrew Oh, you mean you have the meaning but you know that when you translate something, everyone gives it a meaning how they want
2:592 minutes, 59 secondsAkumim (idolators) Where are you getting these?
3:093 minutes, 9 secondsSomebody sent it to me These quotes really don't reflect Judaism Not at all
4:034 minutes, 3 secondsyou have to sit down and discuss the verse
6:516 minutes, 51 secondsNo, it's not a mainstream belief but yes I have heard it Yaakov (Religious Zionist) Psagot (West Bank settlement)
7:027 minutes, 2 secondsThese are questions related to the Talmud Are you familiar with the Talmud? Of course Is it true that it is written... I don't know
7:097 minutes, 9 secondsThese were sent to me The Baba Mezia "The Jews are human"
7:197 minutes, 19 seconds"the non-Jews are not human" "they are beasts" That's not really what it says You have to understand it So explain it It is not ...
7:297 minutes, 29 secondsThere is a certain reality that the Jews are a level above the non-Jews What?
7:347 minutes, 34 secondsThe Jews have a level above the non-Jews That?
7:377 minutes, 37 secondsThat's doesn't mean they are not human What is the verse?
7:417 minutes, 41 seconds"You are called human and the non-Jews are not" The question is what is the meaning of the word "human" here It's a discussion on its own So what do you think the word "human" means here?
7:507 minutes, 50 seconds"Human" is the soul of the nation of Israel that is a level above non-Jews That what?
7:567 minutes, 56 secondsThe soul of the Nation of Israel is a level above the non-Jews You need to understand first what is the Nation of Israel I know what the Nation of Israeli is No, no as part of explaining...
8:068 minutes, 6 secondsOk, what is the Nation of Israel?
8:078 minutes, 7 secondsTrue, you are right (to try to explain) That's an entire subject Do you know what the Nation of Israel is?
8:128 minutes, 12 secondsI know yes but the people watching don't know (your wife) is right Those watching don't know what the Nation of Israel is so explain what is the Nation of Israel First of all, the Nation of Israel is
8:218 minutes, 21 secondsthe nation that, the Holy One, blessed by He, chose to lead the existence the morality of existence the holiness of existence
8:288 minutes, 28 secondsthat will fill the world with the holiness of the Nation of Israel The world will be filled knowing the Holy One blessed be He getting rid of the bad ????
8:378 minutes, 37 secondsIt is an entire process A process that started when we left Egypt, to the Temple a slow process of redemption
8:458 minutes, 45 secondsactually it starts first when the Nation of Israel understands its worth knowing who he is because actualy we are not aware of ourselves it needs to become part of us
8:548 minutes, 54 secondsand then it will spread to the rest of the world when the Nation of Israel will live it's real and normal life
9:009 minutesIn Israel, in the Holy Temple so then it can spread to the rest of the world Is there a lot more because...
9:119 minutes, 11 secondsIs this going to take long? We need to go "Idolators are dogs" I am not familiar with that
9:249 minutes, 24 seconds"Have more respect for dogs than for non-Jews" No, that is not true "The sould of the non-Jew"
9:319 minutes, 31 seconds"come from.... they are like pigs" "come from impure souls" I am not familiar with anything like that
9:409 minutes, 40 seconds"If you eat with a non-Jew" "is like eating with a dog" I have never heard...
9:479 minutes, 47 secondsYou never heard that? No "It is permitted to kill a non-Jew" Nonsense. What are you talking about?
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsIt is forbidden to kill anyone "It is permitted to cheat non-Jews" Also no. We have a commandment to be moral to people
10:0410 minutes, 4 secondsto be good and honest not to cheat the world It's not true Is it written in the Talmud
10:1210 minutes, 12 secondsI don't know, this is what I was told Alon (orthodox Zionist) Bat Ayin (West Bank settlement) In the Baba Metzia "Jews are human, the non-Jews are not human"
10:2110 minutes, 21 seconds"they are beasts" Is it true or not?
10:2410 minutes, 24 secondsI doubt it I don't know You never heard that?
10:2610 minutes, 26 secondsI don't know but I doubt it says that These are things that some say are written but I don't know Akumim (idolators)
10:3510 minutes, 35 secondsnon-Jews What?
10:3810 minutes, 38 secondsAkumim What is Akumim?
10:4010 minutes, 40 secondsAkumim (I couldn't remember what it stood for) Those that not Jews, not Christians I don't remember how to say it in Hebrew So you don't know what Akumim are?
10:5310 minutes, 53 secondsAh Akum "Worshipers of stars and zodiacs" 133 00:10:56,56 --> 00:10:56,556 Exactly It's an acronym They are the people who worshiped idols Today
11:0111 minutes, 1 secondI don't think there are any left in the world It says in the Talmud that "they are like dogs" No
11:1011 minutes, 10 seconds"You need to respect the dog more than them" I don't know You don't know If I understand your views It is not connected to Muslims
11:1911 minutes, 19 secondsor Christians No No, it is only connected to idol worship Not to ...
11:2411 minutes, 24 seconds"The soul of the non-Jew is not pure" "they are like pigs" I don't know any of these things
11:3411 minutes, 34 seconds"It is forbidden to eat with a non-Jew" it's also forbidden to eat with...
11:3911 minutes, 39 secondsIt must be avoided from eating with the regular (Jewish) people with those who are not Torah scholars For him...
11:4411 minutes, 44 secondsAgain It's forbidden to eat with who?
11:4511 minutes, 45 secondsFor a Torah scholar would not sit together with regular (Jews) there is a separation between the wisest and all others so maybe with non-Jews that applies too but I don't know
11:5211 minutes, 52 secondswhen eating, there is a seperation generally So what does that mean? Because I don't know much Torah I am not allowed to eat with...
11:5811 minutes, 58 secondsYes, for a Jew who is not a Torah scholar because he didn't study Torah They would sit separately Really? I never knew that
12:0612 minutes, 6 secondsSo maybe it came from that It is a social thing Does it still happen today? Have you seen it?
12:1412 minutes, 14 secondsToday, no They used to do that "It is permitted to kill a non-Jew" 175 00:12:21,7 --> 00:12:21,341 No Nonsense
12:2212 minutes, 22 seconds"It is permitted to cheat someone not Jewish" No It's forbidden Tova (orthodox Zionist) Kiriat Arba (West Bank settlement) Here are some things people claim is in the Talmud
12:3012 minutes, 30 seconds"The Jew is human being but the non-Jew is not a human being" "they are beasts" I have never heard that I have never heard of such a thing
12:4212 minutes, 42 secondsIdol worshipers
13:1813 minutes, 18 secondsI decided to go to the most religious place Jerusalem
13:3513 minutes, 35 seconds"Here we do not destroy families" "no computers or devices with internet or movies" From the Committee for Purity of Communications
13:5013 minutes, 50 secondsHassidic anti-Zionist You know what
14:0314 minutes, 3 secondsI think in one of the Yeshivas nearby there is an American Yeshiva they have more practice to explain these things
14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsThey would let you film they will even give you movies they have I think it's more on the same channel
14:3914 minutes, 39 secondsHassidic anti-Zionists The question is Go ahead, ask your question
14:4814 minutes, 48 secondsspeaking Yiddish They are animals The non Jews are animals, beasts It is written It is not written here It is written...
14:5714 minutes, 57 secondsAh, you are right it isn't written that they are animals There is an explanation...
15:0015 minuteswhy they are Hold on, that is what I want to understand Hold on, be quiet What does it say?
15:0715 minutes, 7 secondsI don't understand It says "you are called human" "and the non-Jews are not called human" that is what is written
15:1515 minutes, 15 secondsNot called human (hard for me to understand his accent) we don't call them human So what do we call them?
15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsHuman is in the image of God Human is something that is different from animals If a person acts like an animal
15:2615 minutes, 26 secondsso he is like an animal Each person needs to control himself The Jews control themselves
15:3415 minutes, 34 secondsif the evil inclination tells them to do something and they don't do it so then he is a person because he has intellect
15:4215 minutes, 42 secondsSo someone who is not Jewish who does what is good Is he a person or not a person?
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsAlso, he needs to do normal things They usually do They can kill people and not see them A Jew will never kill a Jew
15:5615 minutes, 56 secondseven if he doesn't see him If a non Jew...
15:5815 minutes, 58 secondsBut there are Jews who kill Jews There is one of everything Yigal Amir But a Jew who A Jew who acts like a Jew of course there are Jews who don't act ...
16:0816 minutes, 8 secondsWhat I don't understand is All the non-Jews are how did you call them?
16:1316 minutes, 13 secondsExcuse me sir Beasts If they have no direction The word human refers to the image of God
16:2016 minutes, 20 secondsHe is the image of God That is the meaning of "human" We changed it meaning the Jewish people changed it to acting more humane
16:2916 minutes, 29 secondsyou need to act like a human being but in principle it is based on God and people are based on God because we are in His image so he called us human
16:3716 minutes, 37 secondsThe non-Jews are God made them so they will So they will serve the Jews
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsAll the non-Jews that you see all around the world the billions they exist just for the Jew's benefit
16:5416 minutes, 54 secondsWe don't see it so we don't know exactly Hold on Today we are still in exile so automatically they don't yet serve us completely
17:0317 minutes, 3 secondsonly partially Each one of us will have...
17:0517 minutes, 5 secondsWhen the Messiah will come each one of us will have How many?
17:0917 minutes, 9 seconds-Thousands -Hundreds 2800 slaves In the meantime, the Messiah is not here so how do they serve us now?
17:1717 minutes, 17 secondsThey build us cars We don't know Apartments, buildings They do everything Who do they build for? Us They serve the Jews There are also Jews who do that work
17:2417 minutes, 24 secondsHardly any Listen Look at the reality I want to tell you a parable
17:3117 minutes, 31 secondsThere is a man who is afraid of God There is another...
17:3717 minutes, 37 secondsNeither person does the right thing and one guy is afraid of the police When the police isn't around he does whatever he wants Right?
17:4417 minutes, 44 secondsThere are intelligent people who eat properly Once I was at a wedding I was a kid and I ate with my hands so someone said, you have to thank God
17:5317 minutes, 53 secondsyou see Haredim eating like I said listen for who are we saying a blessing for God those around me
18:0118 minutes, 1 secondonly at a wedding do they eat properly at home, they walk up to the pot and eat directly from it I won't eat from the pot
18:0918 minutes, 9 secondsI act properly for myself You understand I act like a human being for myself You don't think that non-Jews do the same thing?
18:1718 minutes, 17 secondsFor sure not How many non-Jews do you know?
18:2218 minutes, 22 secondsI don't know any personally I don't know any I also don't want to know any So how do you know any of this?
18:2618 minutes, 26 secondsBecause someone told you No?
18:2818 minutes, 28 secondsI read newspapers We see how they act They don't act well like the Jews They kill their own parents A Jew must act
18:3718 minutes, 37 secondsto show the other that he is also a Jew To show his heart that he is also a Jew But non-Jews don't do that Look, another thing
18:4518 minutes, 45 secondsThere are things written (in the Torah/Talmud) that we don't really understand, that is the truth I didn't hear Hold on, I can't hear Therea are things that are written
18:5318 minutes, 53 secondsand we don't know exactly what it means until we are told We know a bit Go on with your questions What else do you have?
19:0219 minutes, 2 secondsWhat did you want to say?
19:0319 minutes, 3 secondsLast week someone went to do his ritual bath the one who was murdered he was doing his penance He was atoning for his sins He was murdered, you don't know about this?
19:1319 minutes, 13 secondsNo Are you from the media?
19:1419 minutes, 14 secondsNo So where are you from?
19:1619 minutes, 16 secondsLast week, after shabbat this guy stopped at a river or some place
19:2319 minutes, 23 secondsand there was an Arab there and he killed him Why did the Arab kill him?
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsBecause the Jew acts like a human being and that piece of garbage...
19:3419 minutes, 34 secondsHold on, a Jew killed an Arab?
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsThe opposite Every day this happens Why?
19:4219 minutes, 42 secondsI don't know Because the Jew acts like a human being But you said He has no love But you guys are contradicting yourselves
19:4919 minutes, 49 secondsbecause you said the non-Jews are not human and they say...
19:5419 minutes, 54 secondsWe don't kill cats even though they are not human We don't kill them True We said that a human is in the image of God
20:0220 minutes, 2 secondsAnother thing, why was Hitler not a Jew, he was a non-Jew?
20:0720 minutes, 7 secondsHitler was a non-Jew Why wasn't he a Jew?
20:0920 minutes, 9 secondsI don't know Because a Jew would not do what he did No Jew has ever done what Hitler did This is what they wrote me Ok, one more question Hold on, I see...
20:1920 minutes, 19 secondsI want to say something I see these are provocative questions meaning questions that will annoy us spicy questions, of course What? You think I would come with bland questions?
20:3020 minutes, 30 secondsWhat for? I know the answers to the bland questions Ok, let's hear "the non-Jews are akumim" A.ku.m
20:3820 minutes, 38 secondsIt doesn't mean bent (sounds the same) Akumim is So what is it?
20:4320 minutes, 43 secondsA.Ku.M is "workers of stars and zodiac" (idolators) What is he asking these things for?
20:5020 minutes, 50 seconds(Something in Yiddish) Enough!
20:5220 minutes, 52 secondsWhy? Stay out of this We are praying here The word doesn't refer to "bent" This is not a theater (that I came to film the actors) It is not true what you... Do you want people to understand yes or no?
21:0021 minutesNo, they don't need to understand They think you are here to cause problems
21:1021 minutes, 10 secondsI can see from the type of questions These are questions that What do you expect me to ask you about the kosher rules?
21:1921 minutes, 19 secondsThat I already know It is a mistake, the word is not bent The word is an acronym "Workers of stars and zodiacs"
21:2821 minutes, 28 secondsThey believe in stars not in God "non-Jews are like dogs" What?
21:3621 minutes, 36 secondsWho are like dogs?
21:3821 minutes, 38 secondsThe non-Jews What is that from?
21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsSomeone sent me the verse Maybe I haven't heard it
21:5421 minutes, 54 secondsYou don't know "the souls of non-Jews are not pure"
22:0222 minutes, 2 seconds"they are pigs" Who?
22:0722 minutes, 7 secondsThe souls of the non-Jews Someone sent me this Nonsense They say it is written in the Talmud Where in the Talmud?
22:1722 minutes, 17 secondsNo, that is nonsense It is written in their books It may be a lie that's why I am asking
22:2522 minutes, 25 secondsIn our Talmud, they don't write things like that like "pigs" There is no words used like that "you can eat with someone non-Jewish" Eat him?
22:3422 minutes, 34 secondsNo Eat with Forbidden to eat with someone not Jewish Why?
22:3922 minutes, 39 secondsWhat's the problem. You are allowed But he can switch your food (with food that is not kosher) How would he switch your food? He shouldn't...
22:4522 minutes, 45 secondsIf you invite someone not Jewish to your home You shouldn't have any connection to him So you won't end up marrying a non-Jew You shouldn't have any connection? Really?
22:5122 minutes, 51 secondsFirst you are friends, then you end up marrying That is forbidden "It is permitted to kill a non-Jew"
23:0123 minutes, 1 secondA total lie What did he say?
23:0323 minutes, 3 secondsthat you are allowed to kill a non-Jew because he is a non-Jew "it is permitted to cheat non-Jews" Also not true It's forbidden
23:1123 minutes, 11 secondsThat one I had heard Forbidden Forbidden Cheating a non-Jew is forbidden It says explicitely that you cannot It is a sin against God
23:1923 minutes, 19 secondsIt is forbidden It says that explicitely Not just that if you find out you made a mistake you have to tell him
23:2723 minutes, 27 secondsEven if he gives you 100 instead of 80 owed you have to tell him and give him back 20 That is actually written out in Jewish law
23:3523 minutes, 35 secondsI heard of that before OK, so what we have is...
23:4123 minutes, 41 secondsLet's go back to the non-Jew is an animal sorry, beast Will you pray with us now?
23:4723 minutes, 47 secondsLet me finish this and then we will talk About them being beasts Why are you interviewing him?
24:0024 minutesPeople write me these verses all the time because I am a Jew What do you do?
24:0624 minutes, 6 secondsI do this project about Israelis and Jews and because they don't believe me They don't want to hear...
24:1424 minutes, 14 secondsI respect everyone and it is not about (political goals) If you don't believe, you won't believe what is written either Right, I also don't believe So why ask?
24:2424 minutes, 24 secondsSince they ask me, I want to know Go tell them that you found a red head
24:3224 minutes, 32 secondsYou are a red head? Yes and tell them that I think that they need to put all the non-Jews in gas chambers No, don't say such things
24:3924 minutes, 39 secondsIf they don't believe A person has to believe (in God) if you don't bellieve, you are nothing I don't believe in God Do I need to be put in a gas chamber?
24:4824 minutes, 48 secondsYou have to believe, in something If you don't believe, you are finished If in 5 minutes, planes are coming
24:5724 minutes, 57 secondsin 5 minutes the planes are coming to bomb the area what will you do?
25:0225 minutes, 2 secondsRun But you don't believe Someone is coming...
25:0725 minutes, 7 secondsThere is a difference... Never mind Without faith, this world is nothing I don't, what can I tell you? Do you have more questions?
25:1525 minutes, 15 secondsNo, that's it I want to get back to the beast thing because I don't understand the differnce between non-Jews and... You don't believe in God?
25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsNo, not at all No? No Actually everything I see proves to me there isn't how cruel people are to each other
25:4125 minutes, 41 secondsRabbi Yitzhak Brietowitz Hassidic non-Zionist
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