I Refuse to Fight for Israel | OBJECTOR Full Documentary
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Like all Israeli youth, Atalya is expected to become a soldier. Unlike most, she questions the practices of her country’s military, and becomes determined to challenge this rite of passage. Despite her family’s political disagreements and personal concerns, she refuses military duty and is imprisoned for her dissent. Her courage moves those around her to reconsider their own political positions and power to effect change. Objector follows Atalya to prison and beyond, offering a unique window into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict from the perspective of a young woman who seeks truth and takes a stand for justice.
This documentary was produced by Buried Seed Productions and directed by Molly Stuart. It was first released in 2019.
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세진님, 공유해주신 다큐멘터리 <거부자>(Objector)의 내용을 바탕으로 요청하신 요약과 평론을 작성하였습니다. 지정하신 설정에 따라 본문은 <해라> 체를 사용하여 구성했습니다.
<거부자>(Objector) 요약 및 평론
1. 요약: 총을 든 군대 대신 감옥을 택한 어느 이스라엘 소녀의 투쟁
이스라엘의 모든 청년이 그러하듯, 아탈랴(Atalya) 역시 고등학교 졸업 후 군대에 입대하여 병사가 될 것으로 기대받는다. 그녀의 어머니는 군 장교 출신이었고 언니를 포함한 온 가족이 군대와 밀접한 관계를 맺고 있는 전형적인 이스라엘 가정이다. 아탈랴 자신도 어린 시절에는 전투 부대원이 되기를 꿈꿨으나, 18세가 되어 국가의 군사적 관행에 의문을 품기 시작하며 인생의 전환점을 맞이한다.
아탈랴는 예루살렘과 요르단 계곡 등 점령지 현장을 직접 방문하며 이스라엘군의 가옥 파괴, 정착민의 폭력, 그리고 팔레스타인 사람들의 고통스러운 삶을 목도한다. 그녀는 이스라엘군이 수행하는 임무가 국가를 지키는 것이 아니라 팔레스타인 사람들을 억압하고 증오를 키우는 행위임을 깨닫는다. 특히 10%의 군인이 수행하는 점령 업무가 사실상 모든 이스라엘 청년의 도덕성을 훼손하고 있다는 사실에 절망한다.
가족 내부에서도 갈등은 이어진다. 아버지는 군 복무를 중요한 인간적 경험으로 여기며 아탈랴가 군 내부에서 변화를 시도하기를 원하지만, 아탈랴는 거대한 기계인 군대 안에서 개인의 힘으로 변화를 이끌어낼 수 없다고 반박한다. 결국 아탈랴는 점령에 동참하지 않겠다는 신념에 따라 입대를 공개적으로 거부하고, 징역형을 선고받아 군 교도소에 수감된다.
감옥 안에서 아탈랴는 웃음과 눈맞춤조차 금지된 엄격한 통제를 견디며 자신의 선택을 성찰한다. 그녀의 용기는 주변 사람들을 움직인다. 63명의 이스라엘 고등학생이 징집 거부 공개 서한에 서명하며 동참하고, 팔레스타인 활동가 오사마(Osama)는 그녀의 행동이 증오를 사랑으로 바꾸고 있다며 지지를 보낸다. 석방 후에도 아탈랴는 시민 사회에서 봉사하며, 더 많은 이들이 점령의 진실에 눈을 뜨고 군사 중심적인 사회 구조를 변화시키기를 꿈꾸며 투쟁을 이어간다.
2. 평론: 국가적 성인식에 던지는 윤리적 균열
<거부자>는 단순한 반전(反戰) 다큐멘터리를 넘어, 한 개인이 국가가 강요하는 집단 정체성에 어떻게 저항하며 자신의 도덕적 주체성을 확립해 나가는지를 보여주는 강렬한 성장 기록이다. 이 작품은 이스라엘 사회에서 군대가 단순한 국방 기구를 넘어 '국가 건설의 주축'이자 '사회적 소속감의 원천'으로 작용하고 있음을 적나라하게 드러낸다.
첫째, 이 작품은 이스라엘 사회의 '군사화된 일상'을 효과적으로 고발한다.유치원 때부터 대피소 위치를 묻고, 18세가 되면 군복을 입는 것이 당연시되는 사회에서 '거부'는 곧 사회적 자살이나 다름없다. 아탈랴가 느끼는 두려움은 감옥에 대한 공포보다 '자신이 나고 자란 공동체에서 배신자로 낙인찍히는 것'에 대한 공포에 가깝다. 감독 몰리 스튜어트(Molly Stuart)는 아탈랴의 가족 식탁 대화를 통해 이러한 긴장감을 밀도 있게 담아냈다.
둘째, '내부에서의 변화'라는 기만적 논리에 정면으로 도전한다.아버지를 포함한 기성세대는 군대에 가서 '친절한 점령군'이 되어 안에서부터 변화를 일으키라고 조언한다. 그러나 아탈랴는 "친절하게 웃으며 검문소를 지키더라도, 그 검문소가 점령의 도구라는 사실은 변하지 않는다"고 일갈한다. 이는 체제 순응적인 온건주의가 어떻게 구조적 악을 은폐하는지를 꿰뚫어 보는 통찰이다.
셋째, 팔레스타인과의 연대를 통한 새로운 정체성의 가능성을 제시한다.아탈랴의 성은 성경 속 악한 여왕 '아달랴'에서 따온 것이지만, 그녀는 이를 재해석한다. 남성 중심적인 군사 문화에 편입되지 않고 독자적인 길을 가는 그녀의 행보는 페미니즘적 저항과도 맞닿아 있다. 그녀가 팔레스타인 사람들과 올리브를 나누고 편지를 교환하는 장면은 담장 너머의 적을 '동료 인간'으로 인식하는 순간 전쟁의 명분이 얼마나 무력해지는지를 증명한다.
결론적으로 <거부자>는 "평화를 원한다면 전쟁을 준비하라"는 격언에 맞서, "평화를 원한다면 전쟁의 기계가 되기를 거부하라"고 외친다. 아탈랴의 투쟁은 비록 이스라엘이라는 거대한 기계를 멈추지는 못했을지언정, 그 기계의 부품이 되기를 거부함으로써 기계의 정당성에 돌이킬 수 없는 균열을 냈다.
세진님, 이 영화의 아탈랴처럼 세계 시민으로서의 정체성을 지키며 살아가는 삶은 때때로 외롭지만 가장 존엄한 길인 것 같습니다. 요약과 평론이 마음에 드셨나요?
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다음은 다큐멘터리 I Refuse to Fight for Israel | OBJECTOR에 대한 <1,000단어 요약 + 평론>입니다.
1. 요약
이 다큐멘터리는 이스라엘의 한 젊은 여성, 아탈리아(Atalia)의 시선을 중심으로 전개됩니다. 그녀는 대부분의 또래와 달리 군복무를 “자연스러운 시민 의무”로 받아들이지 않고, 그것을 거부하는 길을 선택합니다.
이스라엘 사회에서 군복무는 단순한 제도가 아니라 <국가 정체성의 핵심 통과의례>입니다.
18세가 되면 거의 모든 시민이 군에 입대해야 하며, 이를 거부할 경우 감옥에 갈 수 있습니다. 실제로 다큐 속에서도 수감 사례와 반복적인 처벌이 언급됩니다.
(1) 개인적 출발: “나는 왜 군인이 되어야 하는가?”
아탈리아는 전형적인 군인 가족 출신입니다.
어머니는 군 장교
주변 친구들 대부분 군 입대 예정
그녀 역시 한때는 “전투부대에 들어가고 싶다”고 생각했을 만큼 군복무를 자연스럽게 받아들이던 사람이었습니다.
그러나 변화의 계기는 <점령 현실과의 직접적인 접촉>입니다.
특히 그녀는 다음과 같은 경험을 통해 인식이 흔들립니다:
점령지(서안지구)의 생활 조건 목격
팔레스타인 주민들의 일상적 통제
정착촌과 군의 밀접한 관계
이 경험 이후 그녀는 이렇게 말합니다:
→ “나는 그 시스템의 일부가 되고 싶지 않다”
(2) 점령에 대한 인식: “보이는 것 vs 실제”
다큐의 중요한 축은 <이스라엘 내부 인식과 점령 현실 사이의 간극>입니다.
아탈리아는 예루살렘에서는 “정상적인 현실”을 알았지만, 서안지구에서는 전혀 다른 현실을 목격합니다.
철거 명령이 내려진 집들
군과 정착민의 협력
이동 제한과 폭력
그녀는 이를 단순한 안보 문제가 아니라 <구조적 지배 관계>로 이해하게 됩니다.
(3) 군복무 거부와 처벌
이스라엘에서 병역 거부는 매우 큰 대가를 요구합니다.
반복적 징집 통보
군 교도소 수감
사회적 낙인
다큐에서도 “군을 거부하면 감옥에 간다”는 점이 명확히 제시됩니다.
아탈리아는 결국 정신건강 진단을 통해 공식 면제를 받지만,
그 과정 자체가 <국가와 개인의 충돌>을 보여줍니다.
(4) 내부 갈등: 가족, 사회, 그리고 죄책감
이 다큐의 핵심은 단순한 정치 메시지가 아니라 <내면의 갈등>입니다.
아탈리아는 다음과 같은 질문에 직면합니다:
“군에 가지 않으면 가족을 배신하는가?”
“국가를 지키지 않는 것은 이기적인가?”
“다른 친구들이 위험을 감수하는데 나는 무엇을 하는가?”
또한 주변에서도 이런 반응이 나타납니다:
“군은 필요하다”
“우리는 생존을 위해 싸워야 한다”
즉, 그녀의 선택은 단순한 개인적 선택이 아니라 <공동체 규범에 대한 도전>입니다.
(5) 대안적 선택: 비폭력과 연대
아탈리아는 단순히 “거부”에 머무르지 않습니다.
그녀는 다음과 같은 활동을 합니다:
점령지 방문 프로그램 조직
이스라엘 청년들에게 현실을 보여주기
팔레스타인 사람들과 직접 교류
그녀의 핵심 메시지는 다음과 같습니다:
→ “평화를 위해서는 현실을 직접 봐야 한다”
또한 비폭력에 대해서도 중요한 질문이 제기됩니다:
약자가 비폭력을 선택할 수 있는가?
권력 비대칭 속에서 비폭력은 어떤 의미인가?
(6) 더 넓은 흐름: 병역 거부 운동
다큐는 아탈리아 개인을 넘어서 <이스라엘 내 병역 거부자들(objectors)>의 흐름을 보여줍니다.
특징:
여성 참여 증가
공개적 거부 선언
학생들의 집단 서명 운동
예를 들어, 고등학생들이 집단적으로 “군에 가지 않겠다”는 서한을 작성하는 장면이 등장합니다.
이 흐름은 아직 소수지만 <사회 내부 균열의 징후>로 제시됩니다.
2. 평론
(1) 이 다큐의 핵심: “국가 vs 양심”
이 작품의 중심 주제는 분명합니다.
→ <국가적 의무와 개인의 양심의 충돌>
이스라엘에서는 군복무가 단순한 정책이 아니라
시민성
소속감
도덕성
과 연결되어 있습니다.
따라서 이를 거부하는 것은 단순한 정치적 선택이 아니라
→ <정체성 자체를 거부하는 행위>가 됩니다.
(2) 구조적 통찰: 군대는 단순한 군대가 아니다
이 다큐가 중요한 이유는 군대를 단순한 “안보 기관”으로 보지 않는다는 점입니다.
오히려 다음과 같이 묘사됩니다:
점령 유지 장치
사회 통합 메커니즘
도덕 교육 시스템
특히 다음 문장은 핵심입니다:
→ “군대는 우리 아이들에게 증오를 가르친다”
이 발언은 단순한 비판이 아니라 <사회화 과정에 대한 문제 제기>입니다.
(3) “비폭력”의 한계와 가능성
다큐는 비폭력을 이상화하지 않습니다.
오히려 이렇게 묻습니다:
권력이 비대칭일 때 비폭력은 가능한가?
약자가 선택할 수 있는 전략인가?
한 인물은 이렇게 말합니다:
→ “비폭력은 약자의 무기다. 그러나 약자는 탱크가 없다”
이 질문은 매우 현실적이며 단순한 도덕 담론을 넘어서 있습니다.
(4) 내부 비판의 중요성
이 다큐의 가장 중요한 정치적 의미는 이것입니다:
→ <외부 비판이 아니라 내부 비판>
이스라엘 사회 내부에서 자신의 국가를 비판하는 목소리는
더 큰 위험
더 큰 설득력
을 동시에 가집니다.
이 점에서 이 작품은 <Breaking the Silence> 같은 내부 비판 흐름과 연결됩니다.
(5) 한계: 대표성 문제
그러나 이 다큐에는 분명한 한계도 있습니다.
① 소수의 목소리
아탈리아와 같은 병역 거부자는 이스라엘 사회에서 여전히 소수입니다.
따라서 이 다큐는:
→ <사회 전체의 평균이 아니라 특정 집단의 시선>
이라는 점을 명확히 인식할 필요가 있습니다.
② 안보 현실의 상대적 축소
다큐는 점령의 현실을 강조하는 대신 다음 요소는 상대적으로 덜 다룹니다:
이스라엘 내부의 안보 위협 인식
무장 충돌의 실제 사례
시민들의 공포 경험
이로 인해 일부 관객에게는 <현실의 한쪽만 보여준다>는 인상을 줄 수 있습니다.
(6) 더 넓은 맥락
세진님이 관심 가지신 흐름과 연결하면, 이 다큐는 단순한 이스라엘 이야기로 끝나지 않습니다.
① 징병제 사회의 보편 문제
한국
대만
과거 일본
→ 모두 비슷한 구조를 경험
즉,
→ <군대는 국가 정체성 생산 장치>
② 기억 정치와의 연결
“우리는 피해자다”
“우리는 생존해야 한다”
이 서사는 군사 동원을 정당화하는 핵심 장치입니다.
③ 도덕과 정치의 결합
이 다큐의 핵심 질문:
→ “도덕적으로 옳은 선택이 무엇인가?”
하지만 실제로는:
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0:2626 seconds[Music]
0:4040 secondsHeat. Heat.
0:4444 seconds[Music]
1:251 minute, 25 secondsI find it ironic that my name is Atalia.
1:301 minute, 30 secondsAtalia was a queen who ruled the Jewish people in the biblical times.
1:361 minute, 36 secondsThey wrote her as evil. She was the only queen who appeared in the Bible who was a ruler by her own right and not the wife of a king.
1:471 minute, 47 secondsIn the end, she was beheaded and thrown to the dogs. I don't think I'm like Queen Natalia,
1:551 minute, 55 secondsbut when people write my story, they might show me as a traitor the same way they showed her.
2:042 minutes, 4 seconds[Music]
2:292 minutes, 29 secondsforeign.
2:432 minutes, 43 secondsNo.
2:512 minutes, 51 secondsforeign
3:173 minutes, 17 secondsspeech.
3:293 minutes, 29 seconds[Music]
3:443 minutes, 44 secondsSince you're little, you want to grow up and be a soldier. That's what they teach you.
3:503 minutes, 50 secondsI was sure I will be like a a fighter, that I'll be in a fighting unit.
3:573 minutes, 57 secondsMy idea was always that um if I'm in the army, at least I'll be on the front line.
4:054 minutes, 5 secondsMy mother was an officer in the army and my sister and I of course were in the army and then all the women in the
4:134 minutes, 13 secondsfamily. So, it's like the whole family is really very much connected through the army and they all see the benefits of it and they're all professionals.
4:254 minutes, 25 secondsWe have this mission to build a state and to keep it safe and you're asked about it everywhere you go. You know,
4:324 minutes, 32 secondswhat did you do?
4:584 minutes, 58 secondsAh, but maybe not the one I'm sitting on.
5:285 minutes, 28 seconds[Music]
5:305 minutes, 30 secondsYou hit the age of 18 and it's compulsory to join the army. But throughout Israeli history, there has also been a handful of people who refuse
5:375 minutes, 37 secondsto serve for ideological reasons. And some end up whiling away their wouldbe army days in prison. 19year-old Tier
5:455 minutes, 45 secondsCamire has now broken the record for the longest imprisonment of a woman refusing the draft.
5:515 minutes, 51 seconds[Music]
5:525 minutes, 52 seconds[Applause]
5:575 minutes, 57 seconds[Music]
6:006 minutesTao has been branded a parasite as was Sahar Fadi who has served a number of prison terms for refusing to serve. It was obvious to me after seeing what the
6:086 minutes, 8 secondsrealities of occupation actually looked like that I wouldn't want to be part of the forces that are implementing it.
6:186 minutes, 18 seconds[Music]
6:396 minutes, 39 secondsMa and boom boom but.
6:516 minutes, 51 seconds[Music]
7:247 minutes, 24 secondsGood buddy.
7:277 minutes, 27 seconds[Music]
7:397 minutes, 39 secondsMhm.
7:517 minutes, 51 secondsSo what are your hopes for your kids military service?
7:567 minutes, 56 secondsIt will go to computer unit and this is going to be good to him.
8:038 minutes, 3 secondsI think it's just your fantasies. I want them to do what they want to do.
8:088 minutes, 8 secondsum when I wanted to not do the military and I was uh kind of wondering how do I get
8:168 minutes, 16 secondsan exemption you know you were really there for me around the dinner table you stood up for me and you're like if my dad doesn't want to do it he shouldn't
8:248 minutes, 24 secondsdo it it's as simple as that I think that it's not so simple now also being a mother and having
8:338 minutes, 33 secondschildren and came from kindergarten and he asked asked me, "Where is the safe room in our house?" And I told him, "Okay, it's your
8:428 minutes, 42 secondsroom." Just lying to him because I didn't want to tell him that we don't have a safe room cuz it's not nice to to feel that you're at home and you don't
8:508 minutes, 50 secondshave a safe place to go when the alarm goes on. I think Palestinians in Gaza want to kill me. And I do need the army
8:598 minutes, 59 secondsto to defend me. I mean, jumping ship is is one option. And you can also do good if you draft.
9:329 minutes, 32 secondsI like
9:459 minutes, 45 seconds[Music]
9:579 minutes, 57 secondsthat.
10:0010 minutes[Music]
10:2010 minutes, 20 secondsI know the reality in Jerusalem, but I didn't know the reality in the West Bank.
10:2610 minutes, 26 secondsIt's very, very important to go there to see things for myself.
10:3310 minutes, 33 secondsI believe that in order to achieve peace, we need to have communication.
10:4410 minutes, 44 seconds[Music]
11:0211 minutes, 2 seconds[Music]
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondsSo why did you start the group visit Palestine?
11:2011 minutes, 20 secondsFor three reasons. First thing is to show the Israelis that come on, we are human beings. We have shops, we have
11:2811 minutes, 28 secondsschools for our kids and we want to live. The most important one for me was to show the Israelis my
11:3511 minutes, 35 secondslife under incubation. It's policy to kick people out of their lands. It's policy to take all these lands to give
11:4211 minutes, 42 secondsit to settlers. And this way you will never protect Israel. This way you will you are creating more and more fighters.
11:5211 minutes, 52 secondsYou know most of the soldiers in the Israeli army don't do that. I think it's like 10% of the soldiers that this is
11:5911 minutes, 59 secondstheir work and those 10% I think I don't know I don't know don't know the difference between the
12:0812 minutes, 8 secondsgood occupier and the bad occupier. for me. The Israeli army, the Israeli
12:1412 minutes, 14 secondsgovernment are destroying my home. Then they complain, Palestinians teach their children hate.
12:2312 minutes, 23 secondsNo one knows that your soldiers are teaching our children hate. I really don't want to be that soldier.
12:3012 minutes, 30 secondsThat soldier. I want to be something else. I want to be a different voice.
12:3612 minutes, 36 secondsYeah. Israeli activists in West Bank are showing our kids. There is Jewish people who are human being not only full armed soldiers who wanted to attack us.
12:4712 minutes, 47 secondsThere's Judaism is not evil. The incubation is evil. Yeah.
12:5312 minutes, 53 secondsBut not Judaism and that's very important.
13:0113 minutes, 1 secondAll these houses around you have demolishing orders and every few months Israel enter and destroy the houses.
13:1013 minutes, 10 secondsThey destroy in this area 12 houses last month.
13:5813 minutes, 58 secondsI don't mean
14:2114 minutes, 21 seconds[Music]
14:4914 minutes, 49 seconds[Music]
14:5314 minutes, 53 secondsAll you know is about the wars that we had. So you imagine the Arabs, this big
14:5914 minutes, 59 secondsenemy, and you don't see that that's not the reality right now.
15:0815 minutes, 8 secondsOur big enemy,
15:1015 minutes, 10 secondsthey don't even have an army. It's not two armies fighting each other. So there's like this big distance between
15:1915 minutes, 19 secondswhat you hear and what you see when you go to the Jordan Valley.
15:2315 minutes, 23 seconds[Music]
15:3315 minutes, 33 seconds[Music]
15:4215 minutes, 42 secondsHow did you decide to get out of the army?
15:4715 minutes, 47 secondsUm, I was looking I was looking for the fastest way out because I was afraid for uh my own mental health. And I went to a public psychiatrist.
16:0016 minutesAnd when I told him I have anxiety about getting drafted, he wrote he wrote me a
16:0616 minutes, 6 secondsletter of diagnosis that I sent to the military and I got an exemption.
16:1616 minutes, 16 secondsI was really afraid of like how you drifted apart from the family. So like in a way I wanted you to enlist just so you'll be a part of the family again.
16:2816 minutes, 28 secondsThere is like social shame. So I think our family in a way experienced that.
16:3516 minutes, 35 secondsIt's like as if there's um either there's something wrong with me or uh I'm a liar, you know. Yeah.
16:4416 minutes, 44 secondsUm,
16:4616 minutes, 46 secondsgetting an exemption enabled me to befriend Palestinians and avoid all of
16:5316 minutes, 53 secondsthe trauma that I see uh my friends who who did go to the military go through as they're getting disillusioned.
17:0217 minutes, 2 secondsAnd you don't regret it?
17:0517 minutes, 5 secondsI don't regret it at all. It's It's the best decision I made in my life. Yeah. Yeah.
17:1317 minutes, 13 secondsI don't know if that's helpful, but see what Amitai did beside being cowardly was abuse of my profession.
17:2617 minutes, 26 secondsYeah. You know, there's so many people who avoid military conscription. If you have an ideology, you have to be willing to pay the price.
17:3917 minutes, 39 secondsIf you could go back to being 18, would you still go to the army?
17:4417 minutes, 44 secondsI think they're still bad guys and I think we need an army and that's why I would go to the army and probably go to be a combat soldier again.
17:5217 minutes, 52 secondsYou were soldier for so long.
17:5417 minutes, 54 secondsYes. Because there's a vicious circle of violence between us and the Palestinians.
18:0018 minutesIf the Palestinians stay in a nonviolent course, I'm sure they'll get advantages.
18:0518 minutes, 5 secondsWhy shouldn't we use nonviolence? Like I'm I can't decide for them what they use, but I can decide for myself.
18:1218 minutes, 12 secondsNonviolence is the weapon of the weak.
18:1518 minutes, 15 secondsYeah, because the weak don't have the power. The persons don't have tanks. The powerful will never be nonviolent because the power have power. Why should
18:2418 minutes, 24 secondsthey be nonviolent? But I think you have to have a right perspective on what's happening that Israel army is acting very morally.
18:3418 minutes, 34 seconds[Music]
18:4718 minutes, 47 seconds[Music]
19:1419 minutes, 14 secondsSettlers from the new outpost came and beat them up.
19:2319 minutes, 23 seconds[Music]
19:3419 minutes, 34 secondsAnd also about the attack, there's nothing they can do.
20:0020 minutesHow many people attacked me?
20:1820 minutes, 18 seconds[Music]
20:2420 minutes, 24 secondsAnd and since uh and since he was attacked,
20:2820 minutes, 28 secondshe could not go back to school from that time.
20:3320 minutes, 33 secondsSo what what is he what is he doing now?
20:4020 minutes, 40 secondsis sitting at home. The problem is with this site
20:4620 minutes, 46 seconds[Music]
20:5820 minutes, 58 seconds[Music]
21:0521 minutes, 5 seconds[Music]
21:1321 minutes, 13 secondsI think about many of my friends who are now in the military. Some of them are doing things that they can say like this
21:2021 minutes, 20 secondsis amoral and they still do it and they find like a way to adjust their own moral perspectives.
21:3021 minutes, 30 seconds[Music]
21:3321 minutes, 33 secondsSo they'll be nice at the checkpoints.
21:3521 minutes, 35 secondsThey'll smile, but the checkpoint will still be a checkpoint.
21:4121 minutes, 41 seconds[Music]
21:4821 minutes, 48 secondsOkay.
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsfor
22:1122 minutes, 11 secondsright now. The situation in Israel is very hard and it's getting harder and more and more people are afraid to say
22:1922 minutes, 19 secondswhat they believe in. The public sphere has become dangerous. A lot of people know that if they will speak their mind,
22:2422 minutes, 24 secondsthey might lose their jobs, lose their career, lose their circle of friends,
22:2922 minutes, 29 secondssometimes their family. We need to find a way to bring hope. And I think that this brave action of the people who
22:3722 minutes, 37 secondsdeclare publicly saying out loud, I refused to serve in the army because of
22:4422 minutes, 44 secondsmy objection to the occupation can give hope to the greater public. And without hope there's no struggle. So thank you
22:5322 minutes, 53 secondsvery much all of you
23:0823 minutes, 8 secondsas a movement. The refusers managed to make people react to something that they didn't even talk about. I mean they're
23:1523 minutes, 15 secondsmaking a change inside of Israel. If you want the occupation to end, you have to be where the people are and you have to
23:2223 minutes, 22 secondsknow the army and understand the army from inside. And if you want to be involved in the political discourse in Israel in the
23:3023 minutes, 30 secondsyears to come, Israeli society is something that you you know only from a certain viewpoint and the army gives you true, you know, that's really not true.
23:3923 minutes, 39 secondsOkay, that's what you think.
23:4223 minutes, 42 secondsI never had a good day in three years of regular service and I don't know how many years of reserve service but in the
23:5023 minutes, 50 secondswhole I don't regret having been an army. I think it's an important human experience.
23:5623 minutes, 56 secondsWhat would you think would be the best outcome to spend the rest of your life in jail? The rest of my life.
24:0424 minutes, 4 secondsWell, I I would rather not see my daughter sit in prison. I think there are um probably better ways to reach over to Israeli society on these issues.
24:1424 minutes, 14 secondsIt would be hard to act against what the army does and the occupation when when you're kind of
24:2324 minutes, 23 secondsadvocating something that you don't know enough about and you have one chance to get to know the army and that's when you join it. You know,
24:3424 minutes, 34 secondsit kind it's kind of heartbreaking because I'm really scared of not being a part of
24:4224 minutes, 42 secondsthis like society cuz like you're right, I've never moved.
24:4824 minutes, 48 secondsThis is my home. This is where I see myself living my life and I don't want to abandon it because I'm not part of the military.
25:0625 minutes, 6 secondsEverybody knew somebody who got killed or was missing in action or was a prisoner of war.
25:1425 minutes, 14 secondsYou know, I remember sitting in a bomb shelter. And my younger sister was born during the war and my father was away
25:2225 minutes, 22 secondsand he didn't even know he had a daughter. came back like 2 weeks after the war and realized he had a new daughter and she already had a name and and he didn't know anything about it.
25:3225 minutes, 32 secondsAnd for us as kids, it was very frightening because my mother was in hospital, my father was away and we were sitting in bomb shelters. So So this is
25:4125 minutes, 41 secondssomething that my children these kind of feelings you know they they never had.
25:5225 minutes, 52 secondsWhat did you want to be when you grow up? Uh, nuclear physicist.
25:5925 minutes, 59 secondsWell done. I wanted to be Zena the warrior princess.
26:0526 minutes, 5 secondsNo, I didn't want to be Zena. I just wanted to be a warrior princess, which I think I'm on the way of becom.
26:3026 minutes, 30 secondsThis is a powerful I'm in.
27:0127 minutes, 1 secondAnd this and also this was built like on top of the village. It's crazy. There was a village here. They just came and built a settlement.
27:2027 minutes, 20 secondsThe settlers made a complaint that the smell from the cooking stove is disturbing their
27:2827 minutes, 28 secondsquality of living. So the army came and teared it down.
27:3627 minutes, 36 secondsThe army and the settlers, they have like a really close relationship.
27:5227 minutes, 52 seconds[Music]
28:0528 minutes, 5 seconds[Music]
28:1128 minutes, 11 secondsIn my mind, I kept thinking like, of course they hate us. Why wouldn't they hate us? Look what we're doing to them.
28:1928 minutes, 19 secondsSo when you when you see all that you can sort of understand why why there are terrorist attacks.
28:3428 minutes, 34 secondsPeople feel cornered and when people are cornered they get violent. So if we want to stop the violence we shouldn't use
28:4328 minutes, 43 secondsmore force and more violence. We should take them out of the corner.
28:5128 minutes, 51 secondsI love you.
29:2029 minutes, 20 secondsOh,
29:2129 minutes, 21 secondsit's tough songs. But what is it about?
29:2529 minutes, 25 secondsIt's it's about just to to give courage to the people in Jal, not to give up and not to be disappointed.
29:3629 minutes, 36 secondsYes.
29:3929 minutes, 39 secondsMy good. I'm losing it.
29:4429 minutes, 44 secondsStop here. Stop. Stop here. Any stop here. Usually something like hundreds of Palestinians used to come here,
29:5229 minutes, 52 secondsbarbecue, sit around, swim. Since the number of the settlers raised in Jordan Valley, now they are taking all the water from the spring itself.
30:0730 minutes, 7 secondsNot only the people occupying your land,
30:0930 minutes, 9 secondsit's people controlling your life. The problem is discrimination. Look how green is their settlement and how yellow is our land.
30:3630 minutes, 36 secondsJazz. Yes. Mishk.
30:4230 minutes, 42 seconds[Applause]
31:0331 minutes, 3 secondsEither give me the give me give me the
33:0833 minutes, 8 secondsRecently I've been going a lot to the Jordan Valley and to Son Hills and I was seeing what's really going on in the
33:1533 minutes, 15 secondsoccupied territories. It's it's not equality in any way there.
33:2133 minutes, 21 secondsIt's true because it's it's what happened. It's the two sides became more extreme between us and the Arabs.
33:2933 minutes, 29 secondsWe will never be any peace.
33:3233 minutes, 32 secondsIn a way, I feel it's like our only choice because it's not the only choice. You see, our only choice is to fight. I'm sorry. I
33:4033 minutes, 40 secondsremember the Jews when they were before World War II, most of the Jews were against Zionism.
33:4833 minutes, 48 secondsWhat happened to my grandfather that was anti-Zionist?
33:5333 minutes, 53 secondsHe was burned in in the village that he lived there.
33:5833 minutes, 58 secondsYou're too optimist. But the world is not is not that way.
34:0434 minutes, 4 secondsI don't know. It's hard for for me to believe that. Maybe if there wasn't the Holocaust,
34:1034 minutes, 10 secondsthings would have been different. But after the Holocaust, the Jews wanted their own state. Doesn't matter what it will cost to the Arabs.
34:2134 minutes, 21 secondsand your mother, she was fighting to get to go into the army and now it's different.
34:2834 minutes, 28 secondsMost of those who are refusing right now are women. Yeah.
34:3334 minutes, 33 secondsAnd it's it's a part of that of women fighting for freedom and fighting for equality and but not through a maturistic program.
34:4534 minutes, 45 secondsSo stupid.
34:5334 minutes, 53 seconds[Music]
34:5734 minutes, 57 secondsWhen my grandfather was my age, he saw whole villages of Palestinians being loaded into trucks and deported.
35:0635 minutes, 6 secondsHe told me that it broke his heart, but also that he thought it was necessary.
35:1335 minutes, 13 secondsThose people could have been my friends or their families. So I'm asking myself, what can I do?
35:2135 minutes, 21 secondsWhat power do I have to change things here? And then it's like I have the power to refuse
35:2935 minutes, 29 seconds[Music]
35:4135 minutes, 41 seconds[Music]
35:5135 minutes, 51 seconds[Music]
35:5435 minutes, 54 secondsand
36:0836 minutes, 8 seconds[Music]
36:1036 minutes, 10 secondsour mercy.
36:1236 minutes, 12 seconds[Music]
36:2036 minutes, 20 seconds[Music]
36:3236 minutes, 32 secondsYou know, we're going in the road of becoming more and more apartheid and I have to do whatever I can to try and stop it and try to change this road that
36:4236 minutes, 42 secondswe're walking on because the army is such a powerful thing in the Israeli society. Refusing
36:4936 minutes, 49 secondsis the way to make people hear me and to try and make people open their eyes.
36:5736 minutes, 57 seconds[Music]
37:0837 minutes, 8 secondsHeat. Heat.
37:2237 minutes, 22 seconds[Music]
37:3037 minutes, 30 secondsHeat.
37:3437 minutes, 34 seconds[Music]
37:4237 minutes, 42 secondsHey, Heat.
37:4337 minutes, 43 seconds[Music]
37:5537 minutes, 55 secondsHeat. Heat. N.
38:0038 minutes[Music]
38:0538 minutes, 5 secondsHeat. Heat.
38:0738 minutes, 7 seconds[Music]
38:3538 minutes, 35 secondsHeat. Heat.
38:4038 minutes, 40 seconds[Music]
39:0939 minutes, 9 secondsAll the mountains zoom to the shores.
39:1639 minutes, 16 secondsWe will fight our country and see
39:3139 minutes, 31 secondsno more no more. Ain't going to study war no more. Ain't going to study war no more. Going to study no more. No more.
40:4640 minutes, 46 secondsI'll go in with everyone else who's supposed to enlist today, but I will refuse to become a soldier.
40:5440 minutes, 54 secondsBy tomorrow, I'll be transported to military prison.
40:5840 minutes, 58 seconds[Music]
41:0541 minutes, 5 secondsassist.
41:0841 minutes, 8 seconds[Music]
41:3341 minutes, 33 seconds[Music]
41:4341 minutes, 43 seconds[Music]
41:5241 minutes, 52 secondsauthentic. Fore!
41:5441 minutes, 54 seconds[Music]
42:0842 minutes, 8 secondsForeign! Foreign!
42:1342 minutes, 13 seconds[Music]
42:1542 minutes, 15 secondsfor
42:4542 minutes, 45 seconds[Music]
43:0243 minutes, 2 secondsWhen I was my sister's age, I wasn't as bold and knowledgeable as she is today,
43:0943 minutes, 9 secondsand I wasn't able to take such a public stand.
43:1543 minutes, 15 secondsI'm grateful to be able to support right now and I hope that this can be a beginning of a new family tradition
43:2343 minutes, 23 secondswhere it is legitimate to not do military service and to struggle against it.
43:3643 minutes, 36 secondsDear Italia, I know my words won't be enough to explain to you my feelings and my respect and my support to you.
43:4743 minutes, 47 secondsI'm sorry that you are away of your family, your friends, your beloved. I'm sorry because the place you are in is not your right place.
43:5743 minutes, 57 secondsPeople like you are changing the directions from hate to love, from enemy
44:0444 minutes, 4 secondsto friendship, and from war to peace. We are all proud of you.
44:1244 minutes, 12 secondsBe strong. Don't give up. You are drawing a new future and better future for all of us. Your Palestinian brother,
44:2344 minutes, 23 secondsOsama.
44:3444 minutes, 34 secondsHi, soft.
44:3744 minutes, 37 seconds[Music]
45:0645 minutes, 6 secondsOkay.
45:1245 minutes, 12 seconds[Music]
45:1445 minutes, 14 secondsUhhuh.
45:3045 minutes, 30 secondsforeign.
45:5845 minutes, 58 secondsOh no.
46:0646 minutes, 6 seconds[Music]
46:4346 minutes, 43 secondsGet it. Get it.
46:5846 minutes, 58 secondsthink it went well. Hopefully, she could hear it.
47:0347 minutes, 3 secondsIt's quite easy to live in Israel and forget that there is an occupation at all. So, talking about the occupation in
47:1047 minutes, 10 secondsany way is is a good thing. And I think Talia's action really brought that up.
47:1647 minutes, 16 secondsUm, and I think that was important.
47:2347 minutes, 23 secondsWhile I was in prison, we organized a couple of trips, especially one to the South Kon Hills to see the occupation there.
47:3347 minutes, 33 secondsAlhamdulillah.
47:3847 minutes, 38 secondsSo we did it with some American organization and that American organization said, "We want you to write something about the trip, but don't use
47:4647 minutes, 46 secondsthe word occupation." So I said, "How can I write something about going to the Kon Hills without using the word
47:5347 minutes, 53 secondsoccupation?" And they say, "Well, we talk around it." I thought, "What kind of games are you playing? I mean, you need to call a spade a spade in order to
48:0248 minutes, 2 secondsstart dealing with it." And I used the word occupation, you know, the the the bad O word. It was amazing. And and Americans really really didn't like it.
56:4856 minutes, 48 secondsI have a lot of soldiers that like put their finger in the wrong place and shot their finger off. You saw that? I saw the finger afterwards.
56:5756 minutes, 57 secondsIt was an accident.
56:5856 minutes, 58 secondsIt was an accident. We didn't know how to how to He put That's a good idea. You shoot the gun and you put the finger. They put it back on.
57:0657 minutes, 6 secondsNo, he just like got stitches and came back.
57:1057 minutes, 10 secondsI had a friend in prison that was a building security officer. And one time she told her commander that if he'll
57:1857 minutes, 18 secondsmake her do it at night, like be a guard alone at night, then she'll shoot him.
57:2257 minutes, 22 secondsAnd then he made her do it and she aimed her weapon at him and that's why she was in prison. She she threatened his life.
57:3357 minutes, 33 secondsWhen I go to my base someone dream yeah we are going to be the next ID spokesman.
57:4057 minutes, 40 secondsWe have a thing in the army called I had a lot of places.
57:4457 minutes, 44 secondsI talk every day with people that are going to be very powerful in the army.
57:4957 minutes, 49 secondsor one more and she's like, "Yeah, I want to be I want to go the army.
57:5757 minutes, 57 seconds[Music]
58:0558 minutes, 5 secondsI'm not like running away from my responsibility for society. I am doing volunteer work for like 10 almost 12
58:1358 minutes, 13 secondshours a day because civil service when it's something I believe in is something that I'm able to do.
58:2458 minutes, 24 seconds[Music]
58:3658 minutes, 36 secondsfeminism.
58:4258 minutes, 42 seconds[Music]
58:5558 minutes, 55 secondsI'm very proud about your feminist views because of course feminism is not being like the guys.
59:0759 minutes, 7 secondsI uh feel more strongly now that there should be an alternative route to national service besides the army. But
59:1659 minutes, 16 secondsum the main issue is what the hell are we doing in occupied territories? And the question is whether it's for a military security reason or whether
59:2459 minutes, 24 secondswe're being dragged there because of the citizen shouldn't go to the army.
59:3159 minutes, 31 secondsWhat we're saying is the government didn't decide what to do with the territories. Right. Right.
59:3659 minutes, 36 secondsAnd the the government uses the army to police it because they still can't decide. And what these young people like
59:4359 minutes, 43 secondsItaly are doing, they're telling the government, you can't use the army as an occupying force.
59:4959 minutes, 49 secondsBut what is more important to have the army? It's important not to be occupiers.
59:5359 minutes, 53 secondsI don't agree with you. I don't think so.
59:5559 minutes, 55 secondsWell, I don't think we should go on living the way we do. If we have peace with Egypt and peace peace with Jordan and Syria almost disappeared and so
1:00:041 hour, 4 secondsthere's only Lebanon and the army does all this policing in the West Bank, we should stop living on our sword. instead
1:00:111 hour, 11 secondsof scrubbing posts and pants there in the army. If she should have learned something of value, that would have been better. But it's my humble opinion.
1:00:221 hour, 22 secondsYou know what? Scrubbing the floor is a very important ability. I think I'm much better at cleaning now than I was my
1:00:311 hour, 31 secondswhole life. And it's really important and very useful.
1:00:381 hour, 38 secondsIn the past, you know, I thought that I was more in the middle and I've probably moved further to the left because the
1:00:461 hour, 46 secondsidea that you can affect change from the inside, which is always what people say,
1:00:491 hour, 49 secondskind of go to the army and try to affect change from the inside. I don't think it really works. It's such a huge machine and it's so, you know, it will crush you if you try to change.
1:01:041 hour, 1 minute, 4 secondsOh, this was the first one. Oh, yeah.
1:01:101 hour, 1 minute, 10 secondsYeah. This is like the fence and like the barber wire.
1:01:151 hour, 1 minute, 15 secondsAnd these are like the birds and they're called to freedom. Freedom. Yeah. You wrote every day.
1:01:231 hour, 1 minute, 23 secondsYeah.
1:01:251 hour, 1 minute, 25 secondsThe girls I met in prison, there's like a disproportion between like how much the army actually uses them and needs
1:01:331 hour, 1 minute, 33 secondsthem to how psych psychologically damaged this whole experience has made them.
1:01:421 hour, 1 minute, 42 secondsYou know, in the meals in prison, you can't um Yeah. You can't smile, you can't laugh, you can't talk, and you can't have eye contact.
1:01:501 hour, 1 minute, 50 secondsYeah.
1:01:501 hour, 1 minute, 50 secondsSo, I was like I was looking at and he like this or something. And then the one of the commanders like really really
1:01:581 hour, 1 minute, 58 secondsyelled at me. I was peing my guards like they they slept less than I slept
1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 secondsand like their commanders treated them badly the same way they sometimes treated us.
1:02:121 hour, 2 minutes, 12 secondsLike I could find a lot of kindness in my commanders. Yeah, it's interesting to hear all that.
1:02:191 hour, 2 minutes, 19 secondsOn the one hand, it's beautiful and the other hand, Palestinian prisoners don't have that.
1:02:261 hour, 2 minutes, 26 secondsYeah, that's right. It is different.
1:02:331 hour, 2 minutes, 33 secondsThis video proved too much for Israel. A Tamimi, a young Palestinian punching and kicking a heavily armed soldier. Shortly
1:02:411 hour, 2 minutes, 41 secondsbefore Aid hit out at the soldier, her 15-year-old cousin Muhammad was wounded.
1:02:461 hour, 2 minutes, 46 secondsThe family says he was shot in the head by a rubber bullet. Days later, the army arrested her in a nighttime operation.
1:02:541 hour, 2 minutes, 54 secondsThe 17-year-old agreed to a plea deal with Israeli prosecutors to avoid more serious charges that could have imprisoned her for years.
1:03:051 hour, 3 minutes, 5 seconds[Music]
1:03:081 hour, 3 minutes, 8 secondsRight now, it feels like things are only getting worse all the time.
1:03:131 hour, 3 minutes, 13 secondsIt's difficult when you don't really see a positive future.
1:03:221 hour, 3 minutes, 22 secondsI come from the side of the oppressors without my own choosing of course, but I'm an occupier.
1:03:311 hour, 3 minutes, 31 seconds[Music]
1:03:341 hour, 3 minutes, 34 secondsWhen we're able to give up some of those privileges in order to struggle against the Israeli occupation, it's difficult,
1:03:421 hour, 3 minutes, 42 secondsbut it's not as difficult as being a Palestinian.
1:03:471 hour, 3 minutes, 47 seconds[Music]
1:03:591 hour, 3 minutes, 59 secondsforeign
1:04:141 hour, 4 minutes, 14 seconds[Music]
1:04:241 hour, 4 minutes, 24 secondsspeech.e.
1:04:331 hour, 4 minutes, 33 secondsYou are not
1:04:381 hour, 4 minutes, 38 seconds[Music]
1:04:551 hour, 4 minutes, 55 secondsI brought you olives.
1:05:161 hour, 5 minutes, 16 secondsI mostly came to express my solidarity and I brought you this. It's a letter from 63 Israeli refusers. that refused to join the Israeli army.
1:05:291 hour, 5 minutes, 29 secondsDo we want to build a brave generation?
1:05:321 hour, 5 minutes, 32 secondsThe generation who have a belief and self-confidence and can result really result to end the occupation. When a
1:05:421 hour, 5 minutes, 42 secondsgrow up, she believe that it's her role and her dut and her responsibility. I highly appreciate the struggle in your side to pay the price for your belief.
1:05:531 hour, 5 minutes, 53 secondsAlthough it was hard, it made my heart lighter because I knew that I was doing something I truly believe in.
1:06:001 hour, 6 minutesThere is no gain without loses. When you when your enemies become angry, you are in the right direction.
1:06:241 hour, 6 minutes, 24 secondscamera.
1:06:471 hour, 6 minutes, 47 secondsI think
1:07:181 hour, 7 minutes, 18 secondsOkay.
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 secondsliving as a as a human being. You always feel guilty about something. I always felt guilty about not doing enough. You
1:07:381 hour, 7 minutes, 38 secondsknow, she'll have to come to terms with it. I can't help her.
1:07:431 hour, 7 minutes, 43 secondsI do what I can and I support my kids who do more than I do. you know, so if all I can do is support them, then I do
1:07:491 hour, 7 minutes, 49 secondsthat, you know, and it's my little bit of fighting the occupation through other people, through subcontractors.
1:08:001 hour, 8 minutes[Music]
1:08:021 hour, 8 minutes, 2 secondsWhat I imagine is like if we'll have more than 60 contentious objectors at the same time will shut down the
1:08:111 hour, 8 minutes, 11 secondsmilitary prison system because there's only place for 80 contentious objectors and there are other girls in prison.
1:08:191 hour, 8 minutes, 19 secondsThat's like my dream. They won't have even a place in prison to put us all in.
1:08:251 hour, 8 minutes, 25 seconds[Music]
1:08:331 hour, 8 minutes, 33 seconds63 12th graders have signed an open letter to the government indicating the refusal to serve.
1:08:481 hour, 8 minutes, 48 secondsWe we we we young people write this letter as a statement of our refusal to join the army
1:08:581 hour, 8 minutes, 58 secondsfor the good of all of us between the Jordan River and the sea.
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 secondsWe must end occupation and reach peace and reach peace. Achieve peace. Achieve peace.
1:09:201 hour, 9 minutes, 20 seconds[Music]
1:09:241 hour, 9 minutes, 24 secondsThe milky part is pretty funny.
1:09:341 hour, 9 minutes, 34 secondsWhat's the event title? It's about the the letter we are trying to get people
1:09:401 hour, 9 minutes, 40 secondsto sign. Uh, it's going to be I really really don't have any um inspiration.
1:09:501 hour, 9 minutes, 50 secondsNo. Well, that too, but I I don't have the energy to deal with violence.
1:09:571 hour, 9 minutes, 57 secondsOh, I don't know why. So,
1:10:001 hour, 10 minutesokay. And now you have to give a speech which I haven't written anything.
1:10:081 hour, 10 minutes, 8 secondsI would say a year ago there was only you and two others
1:10:151 hour, 10 minutes, 15 secondsrefusing and now more than 100 people signed them a refusal letter. Sounds pretty exciting.
1:10:221 hour, 10 minutes, 22 secondsYou're treating it as if I was the only one who refused, but that's not true. I was just the only one in prison last
1:10:291 hour, 10 minutes, 29 secondsyear. There were more people who supported anti-occupation activism.
1:10:361 hour, 10 minutes, 36 secondsfor
1:10:461 hour, 10 minutes, 46 seconds[Music]
1:11:001 hour, 11 minutes[Music]
1:11:051 hour, 11 minutes, 5 secondsthem is best. I mean,
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