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166: Israel's Founder's Grandson “This is the end of Israel” w. Miko Peled - YouTube


166: Israel's Founder's Grandson “This is the end of Israel” w. Miko Peled
Ansari and The Briefing w. Ansari
343,509 views  Mar 25, 2026  #Netanyahu #israel #IranWar

In this episode we interview Miko Peled, son of Israeli General Matti Peled, born into the heart of Israel's Zionist military elite. He says what most are too afraid to say: Zionism is antisemitism, what the true foundation of Israel is, and how the one-state solution is the best option.

Miko's family signed Israel's Declaration of Independence. His father was a decorated IDF General. His niece was killed in a Palestinian suicide bombing. And yet, Miko Peled became one of the most fearless voices for Palestinian rights in the world. That's what makes this conversation unlike anything else you'll find.

Follow ‪@MikoPalestineHouseofFreedom‬ for more.
Miko's book: The General’s Son: https://www.justworldbooks.com/books-...

00:00 Story of the Son of IDF General
06:25 How Israelis get brainwashed
13:27 The One State Solution?
19:39 Ad
21:18 Israel
24:36 Arab Leaders and the Iran War
34:35 The Fate of Israel
35:43 Ad
37:31 Al Aqsa will destroyed soon
51:02 What Do We Do?
01:01:45 Are White People changing?
01:06:13 Zionism is Antisemitism
01:08:47 Ad
01:10:36 Trump & Epstein
01:14:13 Final Thoughts

#israel  #Netanyahu #IranWar #podcast 

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세진님, 요청하신 대로 2026년 3월 25일에 공개된 안사리(Ansari)의 팟캐스트 에피소드 <이스라엘 건국자의 손자 "이것은 이스라엘의 끝이다" - 미코 펠레드와 함께>의 내용을 바탕으로 요약과 평론을 작성하였다.


요약: <장군 아들의 여정 - 시오니즘의 해체와 팔레스타인의 해방>

1. 배경과 전향: 엘리트 시오니스트에서 인권 운동가로

미코 펠레드는 이스라엘 건국 선언문에 서명한 인물의 손자이자, 6일 전쟁의 영웅인 마티 펠레드 장군의 아들로 태어났다. 전형적인 이스라엘 엘리트 군인 가문에서 자란 그는 1997년 조카가 예루살렘에서 팔레스타인인의 자살 폭탄 테러로 사망하는 비극을 겪었다. 그러나 그는 보복 대신 폭력의 근원을 탐구하기 시작했고, 이스라엘 정부의 아파르트헤이트 정책이 비극의 원인임을 깨달았다. 이후 그는 시오니즘 교육의 허구를 비판하며 팔레스타인의 권리를 옹호하는 활동가로 변모하였다.

2. 이스라엘 사회의 세뇌와 아파르트헤이트

펠레드는 이스라엘 교육 시스템이 팔레스타인인을 존재하지 않는 존재로 여기거나, 생존에 대한 위협으로만 인식하도록 성공적으로 세뇌한다고 비판한다. 그는 현재 가자 지구에서 벌어지는 대량학살이 갑작스러운 변화가 아니라, 1948년 나크바(Nakba) 때부터 이어진 인종청소와 도둑질이라는 국가 기반의 연장선에 있다고 주장한다. 또한 이스라엘 사회가 나치 정권 하의 독일 사회보다 더 강력하게 시오니즘에 동화되어 있으며, 내부적 저항이 거의 없다는 점을 지적한다.

3. 일국가 해결책(One State Solution)과 미래

그는 기존의 '이국가 해결책'은 이스라엘이 팔레스타인 영토를 더 점유하기 위한 시간 벌기용 신화에 불과하다고 일축한다. 대신 남아프리카 공화국의 모델을 따라 아파르트헤이트 정권을 해체하고, 무슬림, 기독교인, 유대인이 동등한 권리를 누리는 단일 민주 국가를 건설하는 것만이 유일한 대안이라고 강조한다. 펠레드는 이스라엘이 현재의 광기 어린 전쟁(이란과의 갈등 등)을 지속할 경우, 5~10년 안에 국가로서 존재하지 못할 것이라고 전망한다.

4. 국제적 책임과 전략적 행동

그는 이슬람 공동체(Ummah)가 두려움을 극복하고 더 전략적으로 행동해야 한다고 촉구한다. 특히 서구의 특권층이 식민주의적 사고를 버리고 정부에 압력을 가해 이스라엘에 대한 제재와 무기 금수 조치를 이끌어내야 한다고 역설한다. 그는 알 아크사 사원이 파괴될 위기에 처해 있음을 경고하며, 매일 팔레스타인을 위한 구체적인 투쟁에 나설 것을 요구하며 대화를 마친다.


평론: <신화의 붕괴와 보편적 정의에 대한 절박한 호소>

미코 펠레드의 증언은 이스라엘 내부의 가장 깊은 곳에서 터져 나온 통렬한 자기반성이자 고발이다. 그의 주장은 단순한 정치적 견해를 넘어, 한 국가의 정체성을 지탱하는 근본 신화에 정면으로 도전한다.

1. '피해자 서사'의 전복과 가해자로서의 자각

펠레드의 가장 강력한 비판은 이스라엘의 '영웅주의' 이면에 숨겨진 '범죄적 기초'를 들춰내는 데 있다. 그는 1948년 건국 과정을 '도둑질과 학살'로 규정함으로써, 생존을 위해 어쩔 수 없었다는 이스라엘의 방어적 서사를 무너뜨린다. 특히 조카의 죽음이라는 개인적 비극을 '개인적 증오'가 아닌 '구조적 모순'으로 연결하는 지점은 감정적 차원을 넘어선 도덕적 승화라 할 수 있다.

2. 아파르트헤이트와 세뇌에 대한 사회심리학적 통찰

그는 이스라엘 사회를 나치 독일과 비교하며 '저항의 부재'를 지적한다. 이는 시오니즘이 단순한 이데올로기가 아니라 사회 전체를 지배하는 '심리적 감옥'으로 작동하고 있음을 시사한다. 팔레스타인인을 가시권 밖으로 밀어내거나 적으로만 규정하는 교육 시스템에 대한 그의 폭로는, 왜 다수의 이스라엘인이 가자 지구의 비극에 무감각하거나 동조하는지에 대한 날카로운 분석을 제공한다.

3. 일국가 해결책의 현실성과 당위성

펠레드가 제안하는 일국가 해결책은 현재의 지정학적 상황에서 극도로 급진적으로 보일 수 있다. 그러나 그는 '이국가 해결책'이라는 이름 아래 진행된 영토 확장을 목격하며, 현상 유지가 곧 팔레스타인의 소멸임을 간파했다. 남아공 모델을 소환하는 것은 인종적·종교적 구분보다 '보편적 민주주의와 인권'이 상위 가치여야 한다는 당위적 선언이다. 다만, 수십 년간 쌓인 증오의 골을 어떻게 단일 체제 내에서 녹여낼 것인가에 대한 구체적인 사회 통합 로드맵은 여전히 숙제로 남는다.

4. 제국주의와 화이트 수프리머시(White Supremacy)에 대한 비판

대화의 후반부에서 펠레드는 이스라엘 문제를 글로벌 백인 우월주의와 자본주의적 제국주의의 맥락으로 확장한다. 이는 팔레스타인 문제를 단순한 중동의 지역 분쟁이 아니라, 전 지구적 정의와 해방의 문제로 치환하는 효과를 거둔다. 서구 사회의 '특권'을 사용하여 이 학살을 멈춰야 한다는 호소는 국제 사회의 위선적인 침묵을 날카롭게 찌른다.

결론

미코 펠레드의 발언은 '이스라엘의 종말'을 예고하는 저주의 목소리가 아니라, 오히려 진정한 평화와 공존을 위해 '부당한 체제'가 반드시 무너져야 한다는 희망의 역설이다. 자신의 뿌리를 부정하면서까지 보편적 인간성을 선택한 그의 용기는, 맹목적인 애국주의보다 더 높은 차원의 윤리가 무엇인지 보여준다. 그의 경고대로 알 아크사가 파괴되거나 인종청소가 완료되기 전에 국제 사회가 행동할 수 있을지가 인류의 도덕적 시험대가 될 것이다.


세진님, 이 글이 장군 아들이라는 배경을 가진 미코 펠레드의 독특한 관점을 이해하는 데 도움이 되었기를 바랍니다. 추가로 궁금한 점이 있으신가요?


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<“Israel’s Founder’s Grandson ‘This is the end of Israel’ w. Miko Peled” 인터뷰>에 대한 <약 1,000단어 요약 + 평론>입니다.


1. 요약 (Summary)

(1) 출발점: 내부 엘리트에서 내부 비판자로

이 인터뷰의 핵심 인물 Miko Peled는 매우 특이한 위치에 있습니다.

  • 이스라엘 건국 엘리트 가문 출신
  • 아버지: IDF 장군
  • 본인: 예루살렘 출생·성장

즉, 그는 <이스라엘 체제 내부 중심부>에서 출발한 인물입니다.

그러나 그의 삶은 개인적 비극(조카의 자살폭탄 희생)을 계기로 전환됩니다. 일반적으로 예상되는 반응(팔레스타인에 대한 증오)이 아니라, 그는 오히려 질문을 던집니다:

→ “왜 이런 일이 발생하는가?”

이 질문이 그의 사상의 출발점입니다.


(2) 핵심 인식: “아파르트헤이트 구조”

Peled의 가장 중요한 주장은 다음과 같습니다:

→ 이스라엘-팔레스타인 관계는 단순한 갈등이 아니라
→ <구조적 분리 체제(apartheid)>다

그는 이를 개인 경험과 여행을 통해 확인했다고 말합니다.

  • 같은 도시 안에서도 완전히 다른 현실
  • 교육·이동·정치 권리의 분리
  • 팔레스타인의 존재 자체가 지워지는 인식

특히 그는 이스라엘 교육 시스템을 강조합니다:

→ “팔레스타인은 존재하지 않거나, 단지 ‘테러리스트’로만 인식된다”


(3) “교육 + 군대 + 기억 정치”의 결합

인터뷰 전반에서 반복되는 구조는 다음과 같습니다:

① 교육
→ 팔레스타인 비인간화

② 군대 경험
→ 적대감의 일상화

③ 역사 서사
→ 시온주의 정당화

이 세 요소가 결합되어

→ <지속적인 갈등과 폭력을 재생산>

Peled는 이를 “사회적 세뇌” 수준으로 표현합니다.


(4) 나치 독일과의 비교

가장 논쟁적인 부분 중 하나는 이 비교입니다.

  • 그는 이스라엘 사회의 “순응”을 나치 독일과 비교
  • 독일인들도 저항할 수 있었지만 하지 않았다는 논지

핵심 메시지:

→ 문제는 “악한 개인”이 아니라
→ <집단적 순응 구조>


(5) 두 국가 해법 거부

Peled는 두 국가 해법을 강하게 비판합니다.

그 이유:

  • 이미 현실적으로 분리 불가능
  • 정착촌과 영토 통합으로 구조 붕괴
  • “West Bank는 신화적 개념”이라고까지 표현

따라서 그는 다음을 주장합니다:

→ <하나의 민주 국가 (One-state solution)>

핵심 요소:

  • 모든 시민의 평등
  • 귀환권 인정
  • 아파르트헤이트 해체

(6) “이스라엘의 종말” 주장

인터뷰 제목처럼 그는 매우 강한 결론을 제시합니다:

→ “이스라엘은 현재 형태로 지속될 수 없다”

그 근거:

  • 지속적인 폭력 구조
  • 국제적 고립 가능성
  • 내부 급진화

그는 이를 “제국의 마지막 단계”로 묘사합니다.


(7) 중동 전쟁과 미국

후반부에서 그는 더 넓은 지정학으로 확장합니다.

  • 이란 전쟁 가능성
  • 미국의 전략적 개입
  • 아랍 국가의 종속 구조

핵심 주장:

→ 중동 질서는 미국-이스라엘 중심 구조에 의해 유지된다


(8) 종교 vs 정치

Peled는 흥미로운 지점을 강조합니다:

→ 갈등은 본질적으로 종교적이지 않다

  • 대부분의 시온주의자는 세속적
  • 종교는 상징적 동원 도구

예:

  • 알-아크사 → 정치적 상징
  • 성전 담론 → 동원 수단

2. 평론 (Critical Review)

(1) 강점: 내부자의 증언

이 인터뷰의 가장 큰 힘은

→ <내부 엘리트 출신 비판자>

라는 점입니다.

이는 다음 효과를 가집니다:

  • 단순 외부 비판과 다른 설득력
  • 구조 내부 경험 기반 분석
  • “정당성 균열”을 드러냄

특히 교육과 군대에 대한 묘사는
다른 자료들과도 상당히 일치합니다.


(2) 구조 분석의 일관성

Peled의 논리는 매우 단순하지만 강력합니다:

→ 분리 → 비인간화 → 폭력 → 재생산

이 구조는

  • 남아공 아파르트헤이트
  • 식민지 체제

와 비교 가능하며,

그의 “one-state solution” 주장도 이 논리의 연장입니다.


(3) 한계: 과도한 일반화

그러나 가장 큰 문제는 다음입니다:

→ <이스라엘 사회 전체를 하나의 단일 구조로 본다>

실제 현실:

  • 내부 비판자 존재
  • 다양한 정치 스펙트럼
  • 시민사회 갈등

Peled의 서술은

→ 복잡성을 상당히 단순화


(4) 나치 비교의 위험성

그의 나치 독일 비교는

  • 도덕적 충격 효과는 강하지만
  • 분석적으로는 문제적

이 비교는 다음을 흐릴 수 있습니다:

  • 역사적 맥락 차이
  • 체제의 성격 차이
  • 현재 상황의 복잡성

(5) 정책적 현실성 문제

One-state solution은

  • 윤리적으로는 강력
  • 현실적으로는 매우 어려움

문제:

  • 권력 구조
  • 군사력 비대칭
  • 정치적 합의 부재

즉,

→ <이상은 명확하지만 경로는 불명확>


(6) 감정과 분석의 혼합

인터뷰는 강한 도덕적 언어를 사용합니다:

  • “genocide”
  • “apartheid”
  • “end of Israel”

이 언어는

  • 문제를 선명하게 드러내지만
  • 동시에 논쟁을 격화시키는 효과

3. 종합 평가

이 인터뷰는 다음 세 가지를 동시에 보여줍니다:

① 내부 비판의 급진화

→ 체제 내부에서 나온 가장 강한 형태의 비판

② 구조적 분석

→ 교육·군대·기억 정치의 결합

③ 해결책의 급진성

→ 두 국가 해법 완전 부정 + 단일국가


4. 더 넓은 의미

세진님이 계속 탐구하신 흐름과 연결하면:

(1) “기억 정치”의 구조

  • 피해 서사 → 정당성 확보
  • 교육 → 재생산
  • 군대 → 실행

→ 이스라엘뿐 아니라
한국·일본에도 적용 가능한 구조


(2) “내부 비판자”의 역할

Peled는

  • Ilan Pappé
  • Breaking the Silence

같은 흐름에 속합니다.

→ 사회 내부의 균열 지점


(3) 종교 민족주의의 공통 구조

  • 이스라엘
  • 미국 복음주의
  • 인도 힌두 민족주의

모두

→ <도덕 + 정체성 + 권력>

의 결합 구조


5. 결론 한 줄

→ <이 인터뷰는 이스라엘 문제를 “갈등”이 아니라 “구조”로 재정의하고, 그 해체 없이는 해결이 불가능하다고 주장하는 급진적 내부 비판이다>


6. English Brief (Condensed)

This interview with Miko Peled presents a radical internal critique of Israel from within its founding elite. Peled argues that the Israeli–Palestinian situation is not a conflict between two equal sides, but a structural apartheid system sustained by education, military experience, and historical narratives.

He rejects the two-state solution as obsolete, claiming territorial integration has already made it impossible. Instead, he advocates a single democratic state with equal rights for all. His analysis extends to geopolitics, emphasizing U.S. support and regional power structures.

The strength of the interview lies in its insider perspective and structural clarity. However, it suffers from overgeneralization, controversial comparisons (e.g., Nazi Germany), and limited practical pathways for its proposed solution.

Ultimately, the interview reframes the issue: not as a temporary conflict, but as a systemic condition requiring fundamental transformation.


원하시면 이어서:

→ <Peled vs Benny Morris vs Ilan Pappé 위치 비교 지도>
→ <One-state vs Two-state vs Federation 모델 비교표>
→ <이스라엘 내부 비판자 스펙트럼 지도>

까지 연결해서 정리해드리겠습니다.

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좋습니다. 아래에 세 가지를 한꺼번에 정리하겠습니다.


1. <Peled vs Benny Morris vs Ilan Pappé 위치 비교 지도>

이 세 사람은 모두 이스라엘/팔레스타인 문제를 “역사”와 “국가 정당성”의 차원에서 다루지만, 서로 서 있는 자리가 매우 다릅니다. Miko Peled의 최근 인터뷰는 특히 <현 체제의 해체 필요성>을 강하게 주장합니다.

<한눈에 보는 좌표>

인물기본 위치1948 해석시온주의 평가현재 체제 평가해결책 선호특징
<Miko Peled>급진적 내부 비판자건국 자체가 추방·폭력 위에 세워짐본질적으로 배제적 민족주의아파르트헤이트, 붕괴로 향하는 체제<One-state>도덕적 언어가 매우 강함
<Ilan Pappé>신좌파/탈시온주의 역사학자<ethnic cleansing>가 핵심식민정착 프로젝트아파르트헤이트 + 식민구조<One-state> 쪽에 가까움구조 분석이 가장 일관됨
<Benny Morris>수정주의 역사학자에서 안보현실주의자로 이동추방과 학살 일부 인정, 그러나 전쟁 맥락 강조역사적으로 필요했고 불가피한 측면 있음점령·정착촌 문제 인정하지만 안보 우선대체로 <Two-state>를 말하나 비관적사실 인정과 정치적 결론이 분리됨

<차이의 핵심>

<1) 1948년을 어떻게 보느냐>

<Peled>와 <Pappé>는 1948년을 단순한 독립전쟁이 아니라, 팔레스타인인의 대규모 추방과 배제의 출발점으로 봅니다. 차이는 표현 방식입니다.

  • <Peled>는 운동가형 언어를 씁니다.
    → “건국 자체가 범죄적 구조였다”는 식으로 말합니다.
  • <Pappé>는 역사학자 언어를 씁니다.
    → 계획성, 구조성, 식민정착 논리로 설명합니다.
  • <Morris>는 추방과 학살 사례를 인정하지만, 그것을 <전쟁 속에서 발생한 가혹한 현실>로 읽습니다. 여기서 그는 도덕적 고발보다 국가생존 논리를 더 중시합니다.

<2) 시온주의를 어떻게 평가하느냐>

  • <Peled>: 시온주의는 현재적 폭력과 배제의 핵심 이데올로기
  • <Pappé>: 시온주의는 유럽형 식민정착 민족주의
  • <Morris>: 시온주의는 폭력적 측면이 있었더라도 유대인 국가 건설에 역사적으로 필요했던 프로젝트

즉, <Peled/Pappé>는 시온주의를 구조적 문제로 보고, <Morris>는 비극적이지만 역사적으로 불가피했던 국가 형성 논리로 봅니다.

<3) 현재 이스라엘을 어떻게 보느냐>

여기서 <Peled>가 가장 급진적입니다. 그는 현재의 이스라엘을 거의 회생 불가능한 <아파르트헤이트 체제>로 봅니다. 인터뷰에서도 교육, 군대, 팔레스타인 비인간화가 결합된 구조를 강조합니다.

<Pappé>도 구조적으로 비슷한 평가를 하지만, 말의 톤은 더 학술적입니다.
<Morris>는 현재 체제의 문제를 보면서도, 궁극적으로는 유대인 국가의 안보 불안을 더 크게 봅니다.


<세 사람을 한 줄로 배치하면>

<Peled — Pappé ——————— Morris>

왼쪽으로 갈수록
→ <반시온주의 / 단일국가 / 탈식민>
오른쪽으로 갈수록
→ <유대국가 유지 / 안보현실주의 / 분리선호>

다만 <Pappé>는 학자형 급진 비판자, <Peled>는 운동가형 급진 비판자라는 차이가 있습니다.


2. <One-state vs Two-state vs Federation 모델 비교표>

이 세 모델은 단순히 국경안이 아니라, <정의>, <현실성>, <정체성>, <권력 배분>의 문제입니다.

모델핵심 내용장점약점누가 주로 지지하나
<One-state>한 국가 안에서 유대인·팔레스타인인 동등 시민권원칙적으로 가장 평등함, 정착촌 현실 반영 가능현실 정치적 저항 극대, 유대국가 정체성과 충돌Peled, Pappé에 가까운 진영
<Two-state>이스라엘과 팔레스타인 두 국가 분리국제적으로 가장 익숙한 공식 모델정착촌 확장으로 영토 연속성 붕괴, 이미 늦었다는 비판국제사회 다수, 온건 시온주의자
<Federation/Confederation>두 정치공동체를 유지하되 국경·시민권·이동을 유연하게 설계현실성과 평등 요구 사이 절충 가능제도 설계가 매우 복잡, 상호 신뢰 부족일부 평화연구자, 절충파

<각 모델의 실제 의미>

<One-state>

이 모델은 가장 급진적이지만, 논리적으로는 가장 단순합니다.

  • 한 땅
  • 한 주권 구조
  • 모든 주민 동등 권리
  • 귀환권 문제를 일정 부분 포괄 가능

장점은 <도덕적으로 선명하다>는 점입니다.
문제는 현재 권력관계에서 이스라엘 유대 다수가 이를 <국가 해체>로 느낀다는 점입니다.

<Two-state>

오랫동안 표준 해법이었지만, 지금 가장 많이 제기되는 질문은 이것입니다.

→ “이미 현실이 그것을 불가능하게 만든 것 아닌가?”

정착촌, 도로망, 군사통제, 동예루살렘, 요르단계곡 문제를 생각하면, 팔레스타인 국가가 생겨도 실질 주권이 제한된 <조각난 국가>가 될 가능성이 큽니다.
그래서 <Peled> 류의 비판은 “두 국가 해법은 사실상 아파르트헤이트를 연장하는 환상”이라는 쪽으로 갑니다.

<Federation / Confederation>

이 모델은 요즘 이론적으로는 꽤 매력적입니다.

  • 두 민족 공동체의 집단 정체성 인정
  • 동시에 이동과 거주, 경제, 수도 문제를 공동 설계
  • 완전 분리도 아니고 완전 통합도 아님

즉, <정체성의 두려움>과 <평등의 요구>를 절충하려는 모델입니다.
하지만 지금 단계에서는 제도 설계보다 먼저 <최소한의 상호 신뢰>가 없다는 점이 가장 큰 장애입니다.


<제 판단을 짧게 말하면>

  • <도덕적 정합성>만 보면 → <One-state>
  • <외교 문법상 익숙함>만 보면 → <Two-state>
  • <이론적 절충 가능성>만 보면 → <Federation>

그러나 현재 현실은
→ 세 모델 모두 실행 주체가 약합니다.
즉 문제는 해법의 부재만이 아니라, <그 해법을 추진할 정치세력의 부재>입니다.


3. <이스라엘 내부 비판자 스펙트럼 지도>

아래처럼 보면 더 분명합니다.

<A. 자유주의적 내부 비판>

예: 일부 인권변호사, 전직 외교관, 온건 평화캠프

  • 점령 반대
  • 정착촌 비판
  • 민주주의 훼손 우려
  • 그러나 유대국가 틀 자체는 대체로 유지하려 함

이들은
<“이스라엘을 구하기 위해 점령을 끝내야 한다”>
라고 말하는 쪽입니다.


<B. 제도비판적 내부 비판>

예: <Breaking the Silence>, <B’Tselem> 일부 흐름, 인권 NGO 계열

  • 군대의 폭력 구조 폭로
  • 법적 차별 구조 지적
  • 점령이 예외가 아니라 체제 일부라고 주장

이 단계에서는 비판이 이미 <정책>이 아니라 <구조>로 이동합니다.


<C. 탈시온주의 학술 비판>

예: <Ilan Pappé>, 일부 비판적 사회학자·역사가

  • 1948 재해석
  • 시온주의의 식민정착 성격 분석
  • 아파르트헤이트 개념 적극 사용
  • 단일국가 혹은 탈민족국가 상상

이들은
<“문제는 네타냐후가 아니라 건국의 구조 자체”>
라고 말합니다.


<D. 급진적 운동가형 내부 비판>

예: <Miko Peled>

  • 학술 언어보다 도덕적 언어 강함
  • 시온주의를 노골적으로 배제 이데올로기로 규정
  • 이스라엘 국가의 현재 형태 자체가 끝나야 한다고 말함
  • 팔레스타인 연대운동과 직접 결합

이들은 내부 비판자이지만, 사실상 <체제 외부의 언어>를 사용합니다.


<E. 반대편: 수정주의/안보현실주의 비판적 인정파>

예: <Benny Morris>

  • 1948의 어두운 사실 일부 인정
  • 그러나 정치적 결론은 국가 안보와 유대국가 유지
  • “비극은 있었지만 대안도 잔혹했을 것”이라는 식

이 부류는 <비판자>라기보다는
<불편한 사실을 인정하는 국가주의자>에 가깝습니다.


<스펙트럼을 선으로 그리면>

<자유주의 اصلاح파>
→ <점령 비판>
→ <구조 비판>
→ <탈시온주의>
→ <급진적 반시온주의>

이 선 위에 대략 배치하면:

<온건 평화진영> — <Breaking the Silence / B’Tselem 일부> — <Ilan Pappé> — <Miko Peled>

그리고 <Benny Morris>는 이 선의 바깥,
즉 <국가주의 진영 안의 불편한 역사 인정자> 쪽에 놓는 것이 더 정확합니다.


4. 한 문장 결론

  • <Peled>는 <운동가형 급진 반시온주의>
  • <Pappé>는 <학자형 탈시온주의>
  • <Morris>는 <사실 일부 인정하지만 국가주의 결론으로 가는 현실주의자>

그리고 해법 모델로 보면,

  • <One-state>는 가장 정의지향적이지만 가장 급진적이고,
  • <Two-state>는 가장 익숙하지만 현실 기반이 가장 약해졌으며,
  • <Federation>은 절충적이지만 아직 정치적 주체가 빈약합니다.

원하시면 다음 단계로 이어서
<이스라엘 내부 비판자 10명 좌표표>나 <Pappé vs Morris 논쟁의 핵심 쟁점 5개>도 바로 정리해드리겠습니다.

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Chapter 1: Story of the Son of IDF General
0:00 us is Mr. Mikko Pellet.
0:033 seconds He's a man whose grandfather signed the Declaration of Independence for Israel.
0:088 seconds His father was a general in the Six-Day War for Israel and the Arab states.
0:1515 seconds And in 1997, Mikko's sister tragically lost her daughter in a suicide bombing in Jerusalem.
0:2121 seconds This tragedy is what finally drove Mikko to embark on his journey to discover Palestine.
0:2828 seconds And today he's sitting with me here today in Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington, DC in Darl-Hureya, Palestine, House of
0:3636 seconds Freedom, in which you started and you organized.
0:3939 seconds And I'm so curious, man, how you went from the grandson of one of the people that signed the Declaration of Israel's
0:4848 seconds independence, Israel's generals, and today leading the House of Freedom in Palestine and Washington, DC.
0:5555 seconds First of all, thank you and welcome for joining the Ansari podcast. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure.
1:011 minute, 1 second Well, it's a long story, and that's why there's a book, The General Sun, which describes the journey.
1:081 minute, 8 seconds It's called The General Sun Journey of an Israeli Palestine. So the book has the full story.
1:141 minute, 14 seconds But the short version is I began meeting Palestinians.
1:221 minute, 22 seconds So I was born and raised in Jerusalem.
1:251 minute, 25 seconds And they like to call Jerusalem a mixed city, but it's not a mixed city.
1:291 minute, 29 seconds It's a completely segregated city, not unlike all of Palestine.
1:341 minute, 34 seconds The apartheid regime created a segregation between Israel's and Palestinians, complete segregation.
1:411 minute, 41 seconds So even growing up in the same city, you don't meet Palestinians.
1:481 minute, 48 seconds You live a completely different reality than they do.
1:521 minute, 52 seconds And then, like you mentioned as a result of the tragedy that my family had
1:581 minute, 58 seconds undergone, had gone through, I realized that there's a piece missing in the
2:052 minutes, 5 seconds puzzle in terms of what I knew and understood about that country, which at that time, I still call it Israel.
2:162 minutes, 16 seconds And that realization drove me to start engaging with Palestinians and meeting Palestinians and seeking out opportunities to meet Palestinians.
2:262 minutes, 26 seconds Because why would anybody, three young men, kill themselves in such a tragic way and so on?
2:342 minutes, 34 seconds And so it drove me to try to understand what kind of a reality was created for Palestinians by the fact that the apartheid regime was there and pretended to be a legitimate state.
2:462 minutes, 46 seconds So I started-- actually, here in the United States, the chapter that talks about the journey in the book starts with a line, something along the line.
2:542 minutes, 54 seconds My journey to meet Palestinians began in the United States.
2:582 minutes, 58 seconds So that was the first time I met Palestinians,
3:003 minutes sitting around and talking like humans, like normal people.
3:063 minutes, 6 seconds And so then when I traveled back and forth to Palestine all the time, and then
3:143 minutes, 14 seconds I started engaging with Palestinians and traveling into Palestinian cities,
3:203 minutes, 20 seconds both within 1948 and all parts of Palestine, basically.
3:263 minutes, 26 seconds And that eventually got me to the point where I understood what was going on and what this horrible tragedy of the
3:353 minutes, 35 seconds apartheid regime created in Palestine and for Palestinians.
3:393 minutes, 39 seconds And so it went from being what I was taught, which is the creation of this
3:463 minutes, 46 seconds regime was heroic and was connected to Jewish history and had all this mythology built around it, to rejecting it.
3:583 minutes, 58 seconds Because realizing what it really was, what it was meant to do, and what it really did.
4:034 minutes, 3 seconds And of course, there's a history of almost 100 years now in Palestine of this regime. And we know what it's done.
4:104 minutes, 10 seconds So basically, that's the short version of the story of the journey.
4:184 minutes, 18 seconds Why, though, did you decide to learn about the Palestinians rather than choose to hate them?
4:234 minutes, 23 seconds I mean, if your sister's child gets killed, normal person's reaction would be to feel anger and hatred towards the Palestinians.
4:314 minutes, 31 seconds Well, anger and frustration for sure. But it wasn't pointed at Palestinians.
4:404 minutes, 40 seconds It was pointed at the root cause of the violence, which is the apartheid regime.
4:474 minutes, 47 seconds Did you know it was an-- It was a government. And in fact, my sister--
4:514 minutes, 51 seconds so when this happened, it was big news over there.
4:554 minutes, 55 seconds I flew to Jerusalem and spent the time with my family and so on, the funeral. And it was big news.
5:015 minutes, 1 second It was front page news that the granddaughter of so and so was killed in a suicide bombing and so on. And so right off the bat--
5:115 minutes, 11 seconds and journalists were everywhere from all over the world. And so right off the bat, my sister said two things.
5:185 minutes, 18 seconds Number one, she said, don't talk to me about revenge because killing more people
5:255 minutes, 25 seconds in response to the death of a child is completely madness. It's completely insane. It makes no sense.
5:315 minutes, 31 seconds And number two, she said that she holds the government, Israeli government, responsible for her daughter's death.
5:395 minutes, 39 seconds And so there's no such thing as they, the Palestinians, right?
5:445 minutes, 44 seconds Three young men did this and killed themselves. And so if you want to understand the root
5:515 minutes, 51 seconds cause of something, you have to look and find out what is the source of the violence, what can cause people to do something so tragic.
6:006 minutes So obviously, the fingers are pointed at-- and it was interesting.
6:036 minutes, 3 seconds What's interesting is that Netanyahu was prime minister then too.
6:066 minutes, 6 seconds He was prime minister there for a while and then came back. So to me, that made the most sense, is to
6:146 minutes, 14 seconds engage and find out what kind of reality exists on that other side that would bring somebody to do something like this.
Chapter 2: How Israelis get brainwashed
6:256 minutes, 25 seconds Why then don't most Israelis think this way?
6:276 minutes, 27 seconds I mean, they do see the Palestinians as they and way worse than they. They see them as less than animals. Why don't they see it like this as well?
6:356 minutes, 35 seconds That's a question that is-- it's a very good question. I can't explain it.
6:406 minutes, 40 seconds I had undergone the same kind of education as all Israelis,
6:456 minutes, 45 seconds where Palestinians are either non-existent or they're terrorists or they're backward refugees.
6:576 minutes, 57 seconds And they don't really exist. We see them.
7:007 minutes They go in and out of the frame as construction workers or doing the landscaping. But we never meet the Palestinians.
7:077 minutes, 7 seconds And then at 18, you're suddenly told that they're the enemy and we have to protect ourselves against them.
7:157 minutes, 15 seconds I thought they indoctrinated you as a child to hating the Palestinians in Israel. Well, it's not a question of hating.
7:227 minutes, 22 seconds It's a question of they don't exist. And when they do exist, they're a threat to our survival.
7:277 minutes, 27 seconds They're an existential threat to our survival. So it's worse than hate.
7:337 minutes, 33 seconds Now, there's a lot of hate being expressed as well.
7:387 minutes, 38 seconds But I never sensed that hate was the issue, that the threat was the issue, fear was the issue.
7:467 minutes, 46 seconds And so that was the driving force.
7:507 minutes, 50 seconds And so why are Israelis acting in this psychotic way as a society?
7:587 minutes, 58 seconds That's something that people are going to have to study in the future to figure out how they were able to-- how this education system that was put in place,
8:078 minutes, 7 seconds by the way, long before the state was established.
8:118 minutes, 11 seconds My parents were born in Palestine in the 20s and there was already a Zionist education system. In 1920s. Yeah.
8:188 minutes, 18 seconds So they went to school from pre-K through university.
8:228 minutes, 22 seconds There was an entire education system already in place. And so I would venture to say, number
8:308 minutes, 30 seconds one, it's the success of the education system that it created exactly the kind of people that they needed, that they wanted to execute the plan.
8:398 minutes, 39 seconds And number two, as a member of society, this is what you hear. This is what you see. This is what you learn. This is what you hear the people say.
8:498 minutes, 49 seconds And so that's what you are. That's what you become. I mean, it's very powerful. It's a small country.
8:568 minutes, 56 seconds I always compare Israeli society to German society during the Nazi regime.
9:029 minutes, 2 seconds This is something that people don't talk about, but there was a very significant resistance, German resistance, to the Nazis.
9:109 minutes, 10 seconds And they were all sent to concentration camps and killed immediately and executed.
9:169 minutes, 16 seconds Nobody ever talks about that, the German resistance to the Nazis. There were small groups, larger groups, there were individuals. That doesn't exist.
9:269 minutes, 26 seconds There's no Israeli resistance to Zionism. There is no resistance against Zionism.
9:339 minutes, 33 seconds And I think one day somebody will have to study these and maybe compare these two societies to figure out how one has been
9:399 minutes, 39 seconds so successfully indoctrinated to be violent and cruel to the other.
9:479 minutes, 47 seconds Whereas in Germany, even with the indoctrination and even with the violence and with the threat of violence, in other
9:559 minutes, 55 seconds words, Germans who were resistant knew what their fate would be when they were caught and they were all caught.
10:0210 minutes, 2 seconds If Israelis stood up and marched and spoke against it, they wouldn't be killed.
10:0810 minutes, 8 seconds They wouldn't be sent to a concentration camp. And yet they don't do it. There is no threat. So I don't know. You'd have to-- I'm not a sociologist,
10:1710 minutes, 17 seconds but that's the reality.
10:1910 minutes, 19 seconds Have you ever spoken to your grandfather about Israeli society? He passed away before I was born. Oh, he passed away before you were born. How about your father?
10:2710 minutes, 27 seconds My father passed away before I became involved in this issue.
10:3110 minutes, 31 seconds He passed away two years before my niece was killed.
10:3510 minutes, 35 seconds So I mean, I knew his thoughts and so forth. We were kind of a liberal Zionist family.
10:4110 minutes, 41 seconds He talked about the two-state solution and that sort of thing. He became very well-known for that.
10:4710 minutes, 47 seconds And he also became an outcast because of that. Because immediately after the 1967 war,
10:5510 minutes, 55 seconds although more than a war, it was just a brutal assault by the apartheid regime against its neighbors. I mean, it was not called for.
11:0411 minutes, 4 seconds And it ended in five days.
11:0611 minutes, 6 seconds He immediately said, now we need to let the Palestinians establish a state in the West Bank and Gaza and make peace and move on.
11:1411 minutes, 14 seconds But immediately, the establishments started building cities and towns for Israeli Jews only throughout the West Bank and the newly occupied territories.
11:2611 minutes, 26 seconds And he kind of became an outcast. And that was his path.
11:2911 minutes, 29 seconds The two-state solution was kind of his path. He met with Yasser Arafat.
11:3311 minutes, 33 seconds I mean, he was very much involved in this.
11:3511 minutes, 35 seconds But I never spoke to him as somebody who is involved in this the way I am now. Was he already gone?
11:4411 minutes, 44 seconds What do you think his reaction would be to what you've done since?
11:4811 minutes, 48 seconds Well, I think that he would support the
11:5511 minutes, 55 seconds idea of dismantling the apartheid regime and establishing a democracy with equal rights.
12:0012 minutes And the reason I think that-- I mean, he was a Zionist to his dying day. He believed in Zionism firmly.
12:0812 minutes, 8 seconds But he was also a forward thinker.
12:1212 minutes, 12 seconds I mean, today, people still talk about the two-state solution as though it's a legitimate kind of idea. Back in the day when he talked about it,
12:2012 minutes, 20 seconds nobody wanted to talk to him.
12:2212 minutes, 22 seconds So he foresaw that this was something when people didn't want to talk about it. He was already talking about it.
12:2912 minutes, 29 seconds So my sense is that he would probably be,
12:3412 minutes, 34 seconds again, on the sidelines saying the kinds of things that we're saying here, that only a dismantling of the apartheid
12:4112 minutes, 41 seconds regime, only the liberation of Palestine and the right of return,
12:4612 minutes, 46 seconds and establishing a free democratic Palestine is the only option that really benefits everyone who lives in historic Palestine today.
12:5612 minutes, 56 seconds At one state solution where it becomes Palestine again, where Muslims, Christians, Jews all live together, Hindus and atheists,
13:0413 minutes, 4 seconds just like it used to be. Well, not a lot of Hindus there.
13:0713 minutes, 7 seconds But yeah, basically, I mean, the one state is there. It's one, all Palestine is one state. It was that way since 1967.
13:1513 minutes, 15 seconds Done. It was over. But of course, it's an apartheid regime.
13:2013 minutes, 20 seconds So yeah, so getting dismantling the apartheid regime and allowing a real free democratic Palestine to take its place.
Chapter 3: The One State Solution?
13:2813 minutes, 28 seconds How come no one talks about a one-state solution?
13:3013 minutes, 30 seconds I think that's the only solution there is.
13:3313 minutes, 33 seconds I believe Imam Tom Ficini, I don't know if you've heard of him.
13:3613 minutes, 36 seconds He talked about how there's like four outcomes to colonization, the Algerian French outcome, where the colonized kick
13:4513 minutes, 45 seconds out the colonizer, the American Indian outcome or Native American outcome, where the colonizer wins and completely genocides.
13:5413 minutes, 54 seconds And then the South African outcome, where it becomes one state.
13:5913 minutes, 59 seconds He said there's never-- I think it's only three then.
14:0114 minutes, 1 second He said there's never been a fourth solution where you make this two state and all of this mumbo-jumbo, this crap.
14:0814 minutes, 8 seconds Well, two state is what we tried to do with Native Americans here.
14:1114 minutes, 11 seconds And of course, we know how well that goes. So that went.
14:1414 minutes, 14 seconds But I don't think that nobody talks-- a lot of people talk about it.
14:1714 minutes, 17 seconds I mean, this was the initial platform of the PLO, the Palestinian Liberation Organization, was a democracy, a single democracy, with legal rights.
14:2714 minutes, 27 seconds This was their initial platform.
14:2814 minutes, 28 seconds And then gradually, they were pressured into accepting the two-state solution,
14:3214 minutes, 32 seconds recognizing the apartheid regime as a legitimate state and so on.
14:3814 minutes, 38 seconds But this has been the Palestinian platform.
14:4114 minutes, 41 seconds And today, I don't know-- I mean, I have many, many friends and comrades, Palestinian activists,
14:4914 minutes, 49 seconds grassroots leaders in Palestine. Many of them are part of Dar-Hariha. They've given their name to it. We all agree.
14:5714 minutes, 57 seconds We all talk about this. Nobody talks about anything but that. The one state solution. It's the only political-- Yeah.
15:0415 minutes, 4 seconds The only people who talk about two states are either people who know that it's an impossibility.
15:1115 minutes, 11 seconds And they also know that talking about it allows the apartheid regime to kill more Palestinians and take over more Palestinian land.
15:1915 minutes, 19 seconds Because as long as you talk about it, it pretends like you want peace.
15:2415 minutes, 24 seconds Or other people talk about it-- and I meet many of those people at the Capitol when I visit-- when I meet people there--
15:3215 minutes, 32 seconds they don't know what other possibility--
15:3515 minutes, 35 seconds in other words, they haven't heard of other possibilities. And they're wondering, well, how is that going to work?
15:4115 minutes, 41 seconds So one of the things that we do with our outreach program, we as in Palestine House of Freedom, is to demonstrate that there is-- first of all,
15:5115 minutes, 51 seconds there can be no two states. There's no West Bank, really.
15:5415 minutes, 54 seconds I mean, the idea that there's a West Bank is a myth. There's no West Bank.
15:5715 minutes, 57 seconds It's been completely integrated into the rest of the country, into the rest of the Zionist state.
16:0516 minutes, 5 seconds And so we need to come to terms with that. They talk about, will they annex? Will they not annex? They went next to it a long time ago.
16:1416 minutes, 14 seconds So to demonstrate that not only is that not a solution that is possible,
16:2216 minutes, 22 seconds but there is a better solution which will benefit everyone who lives, like I said, in historic Palestine.
16:3116 minutes, 31 seconds And that is dismantling the apartheid state.
16:3416 minutes, 34 seconds Because this vision of Israelis and Palestinians living in peace, living coexisting, it can happen.
16:4216 minutes, 42 seconds I think it's realistic.
16:4416 minutes, 44 seconds But it's not going to happen as long as it's an apartheid regime that is in control of Palestine.
16:5016 minutes, 50 seconds A real deliberative Palestine with equal rights, with the right of return, will allow that to happen.
16:5916 minutes, 59 seconds Nothing else will allow that to happen. So that's really the outreach.
17:0317 minutes, 3 seconds That's what we focus on when we talk to people.
17:0717 minutes, 7 seconds So they understand that there is a solution. We're just not working to get there. I mean, we are.
17:1417 minutes, 14 seconds But in the halls of power, they haven't quite come to terms with that. Yeah.
17:1917 minutes, 19 seconds I believe they will, and sooner than most people think.
17:2217 minutes, 22 seconds I think anyone within the Palestinian movement that's pretty much ignorant about what we're talking about, how the two-state solution is actually killing
17:3117 minutes, 31 seconds Palestinians, should know that we should really focus in on this one-state solution. Because it's politically powerful.
17:3817 minutes, 38 seconds It's telling us, why don't we all just live together as one Jewish, Christian, Muslim, all together, and like how we used to.
17:4617 minutes, 46 seconds That's way more powerful than give us our own land, give us our own property, get out of the West Bank, get out of Gaza.
17:5217 minutes, 52 seconds All of that tip for that's not going to really work.
17:5517 minutes, 55 seconds We just need one message of peace, one state.
17:5817 minutes, 58 seconds I believe, I think it was, I forget his name, something Harai. He's like a Jewish thinker.
18:0618 minutes, 6 seconds He was saying, if the Palestinian movement starts asking for a South African solution, Israeli government is in trouble.
18:1318 minutes, 13 seconds The Zionist state is in trouble, which I believe is true. Yuval Harari.
18:1818 minutes, 18 seconds Right now, there's no real representation for the Palestinian.
18:2518 minutes, 25 seconds Really, there's no real Palestinian representatives anywhere, other than in Palestine and the grassroots activists that are there.
18:3618 minutes, 36 seconds But I mean, as a central authority.
18:3918 minutes, 39 seconds But the South African model is the model that people around, that I talked to, that we work with.
18:4618 minutes, 46 seconds That's the only, that's the model that we talk about.
18:4818 minutes, 48 seconds When you look back at the encampments that took place all across the country, that was what people talked about.
18:5718 minutes, 57 seconds And then the People's Forum, Palestine,
19:0119 minutes, 1 second which followed the encampments where we happened twice. It was two years in a row already. That's the only thing people talk about.
19:1019 minutes, 10 seconds So it's growing, and people understanding that that is the only way forward.
19:1419 minutes, 14 seconds It just hasn't reached the halls of power. It hasn't reached, there's no critical mass yet.
19:1919 minutes, 19 seconds And there's no understanding in the halls of power that it's, if anybody does care about the well-being of all people who live in Palestine,
19:3019 minutes, 30 seconds then there's a very clear path to that.
19:3319 minutes, 33 seconds And the South African, they laid out a very good model. They laid out a very good roadmap.
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Chapter 5: Israel
21:1921 minutes, 19 seconds Professor John Mearsheimer from University of Chicago, he said that we've never seen anything like the Zionist, Israeli Jews.
21:2821 minutes, 28 seconds We've never seen a democratic genocide.
21:3121 minutes, 31 seconds He said you can even make some excuse for the Nazis, and that the people, like you said, majority may have not even known,
21:3821 minutes, 38 seconds may have heard whispers, never actually seen it or felt it or even smelled it.
21:4321 minutes, 43 seconds He said you can even make an excuse for ISIS, and that it doesn't smile while killing the people that they kill or beheading the people that they behead.
21:5021 minutes, 50 seconds They're not smiling, at least they look angry.
21:5321 minutes, 53 seconds He said we've never seen a people collectively enjoy death, enjoy murder, enjoy killing. This is from John Mearsheimer.
22:0122 minutes, 1 second I'm kind of quoting him, but this is basically what he said. What do you think is going on there? I know you kind of touched on it earlier.
22:0922 minutes, 9 seconds Look, I mean, I don't think they invented anything new. I mean, apartheid has been, but what's
22:1622 minutes, 16 seconds perhaps is new, and I agree, is the popular support for the genocide.
22:2322 minutes, 23 seconds Now you have to understand, people say,
22:2622 minutes, 26 seconds oh, the Israeli society has gone far to the right, there's so much more extreme. It's not true.
22:3222 minutes, 32 seconds If you look at what the founders of Zionism said, what the founders of the regime in 1948 said, whatever Israeli
22:4022 minutes, 40 seconds politician has said for the last 100 years, what is happening now is a direct line. There has been no shift.
22:4922 minutes, 49 seconds The attempt and the desire to get rid of Palestinians, to commit genocide, to
22:5822 minutes, 58 seconds commit ethnic cleansing, that is the very foundation of the regime of this so-called state of Israel. That was the foundation.
23:0823 minutes, 8 seconds Between 1947 and 1949, there was a massive campaign. Almost a million people were thrown out. God only knows how many were massacred.
23:1623 minutes, 16 seconds Religions were burned and destroyed, and everything was stolen. Cities were stolen, towns were stolen. Produce in the fields was stolen, cars,
23:2523 minutes, 25 seconds money that people had in the banks.
23:2623 minutes, 26 seconds I mean, Palestine was a developed country.
23:3023 minutes, 30 seconds All that was stolen, and that was the foundation, and that is the moment that Israelis feel very proud of.
23:3723 minutes, 37 seconds In other words, the identity of Israelis is directly tied to that crime,
23:4523 minutes, 45 seconds which they described as an act of heroism. So there's nothing new here. This is exactly, an Israeli society,
23:5423 minutes, 54 seconds people knew about the Nakba.
23:5523 minutes, 55 seconds They knew about what happened in those years, how they participated, their parents participated.
24:0024 minutes But they managed to, they managed to convey it in a way that gave you a sense of pride, you know?
24:0824 minutes, 8 seconds We were the few, they were the many, they wanted to kill us, we just wanted to live.
24:1224 minutes, 12 seconds You know, we had a right to come back because we were nationless, the Jewish people and all that, which is all mythology.
24:1924 minutes, 19 seconds So that is the very foundation of Israeli society.
24:2424 minutes, 24 seconds So the genocide that we're seeing now is really just a heightened expression of genocide, of what we've seen since the very beginning, or the last, I would say,
24:3424 minutes, 34 seconds hundred years in Palestine.
Chapter 6: Arab Leaders and the Iran War
24:3724 minutes, 37 seconds We now see Israeli soldiers wearing greater Israel patches on their arms.
24:4524 minutes, 45 seconds And is, in Yahoo and most of Israeli society has been talking about this concept of greater Israel for a while now.
24:5224 minutes, 52 seconds And at the same time, today's March 18th that we're filming this on Thursday,
24:5624 minutes, 56 seconds where I think the Prime Minister of Qatar just came out and said that they're losing patience for the Iranians, right,
25:0625 minutes, 6 seconds as we know the Iran war is happening right now.
25:0925 minutes, 9 seconds And I'm wondering, do the Arabs not see what's happening?
25:1325 minutes, 13 seconds Do, will the Arabs actually get fooled into getting into this war and fighting Iran, losing its resources,
25:2125 minutes, 21 seconds losing its oil infrastructure?
25:2225 minutes, 22 seconds Because Iran's definitely going to bomb all of their oil refineries, which will completely collapse their economies. Iran will also bomb their water sal,
25:3125 minutes, 31 seconds salutation, whatever that word. Salination. Yeah.
25:3525 minutes, 35 seconds They're already, I think they did it in the last 24 hours. But they're going to continue to do so,
25:4025 minutes, 40 seconds which will render the society's unlivable in, uncivilized, these Arab nations.
25:4625 minutes, 46 seconds So, and the only winner of that would be Israel, because the Arab nations will all be destroyed, Iran will be destroyed in the meantime, because Israel will use
25:5525 minutes, 55 seconds those foot soldiers, these Arab foot soldiers, the American foot soldiers, to try to get into Iran.
25:5925 minutes, 59 seconds Doesn't matter to them that they're in the meat grinder.
26:0226 minutes, 2 seconds And then Israel can then move on to project its power and create greater Israel.
26:0726 minutes, 7 seconds It's already moving into southern Lebanon. It's already thinking ahead about Turkey.
26:1126 minutes, 11 seconds I mean, do these Arab leaders not see this? No, they see it. But, I mean, there's two answers to that.
26:2026 minutes, 20 seconds One is that the regimes that govern the Arab states are obviously not democratic regimes.
26:3026 minutes, 30 seconds And so they're beholden to the United States and to the apartheid, the Zionist state, of course, sadly.
26:3826 minutes, 38 seconds Beholden to it how?
26:4026 minutes, 40 seconds Well, they've been working together for a long time.
26:4226 minutes, 42 seconds These regimes rely on the United States for security.
26:4526 minutes, 45 seconds They rely on the apartheid state for security, for all kinds of things, to protect the regimes.
26:5526 minutes, 55 seconds Now, the other part of it is if you are a leader in an Arab country today, and you look around, you see two options.
27:0627 minutes, 6 seconds You see the option that they took in Iraq and in Syria and in Libya and Yemen,
27:1527 minutes, 15 seconds which is solidly pro-Palestinian stance. And look at these countries now.
27:2027 minutes, 20 seconds So is that a good choice for your country as the leader of that country?
27:2627 minutes, 26 seconds Or do you need to find a way to walk the fine line and survive and make sure that
27:3327 minutes, 33 seconds your country isn't blasted off the face of the earth and chaos created and so on,
27:3827 minutes, 38 seconds which is what happens, of course, in all these countries that I mentioned.
27:4227 minutes, 42 seconds So I think it's unfair to judge the Arab states.
27:5027 minutes, 50 seconds I judge the Europeans because the Europeans and the Americans are the ones who are supporting this, and they are the ones who can stop it,
28:0028 minutes and they choose not to.
28:0228 minutes, 2 seconds The Arab states are between a rock and a hard place.
28:0528 minutes, 5 seconds The Europeans are paying and supporting for the genocide of the Palestinian people. Of course, America, the United States.
28:1328 minutes, 13 seconds And so I think that's why we're seeing what we're seeing.
28:1828 minutes, 18 seconds And now look there, defenses were taken away to help the apartheid state against the retaliation by Iran, and they're defenseless.
28:2828 minutes, 28 seconds And they're pretty small anyway, so they're defenseless anyway.
28:3028 minutes, 30 seconds They rely on the United States to defend them.
28:3328 minutes, 33 seconds And your United States is not a reliable ally. We know that.
28:3828 minutes, 38 seconds So that's the reality in which they exist. So it's not that they don't see it.
28:4328 minutes, 43 seconds The question is strategically, if your responsibility is to defend your own country, how do you want to end up?
28:5128 minutes, 51 seconds I mean, the United States is also between a rock and a hard place because the most peculiar thing happened this week where
28:5828 minutes, 58 seconds Trump is allowing Russian oil, he has removed sanctions off of Russian oil,
29:0329 minutes, 3 seconds which is allowing Russia's economy to be funded to continue the war in Ukraine,
29:1029 minutes, 10 seconds which is another proxy war between the United States and Ukraine.
29:1429 minutes, 14 seconds And then it's also allowing Iranian ships through the Strait of Hormuz to sell to India and China and the rest of the world
29:2229 minutes, 22 seconds to make sure that oil prices stay $100 or less.
29:2629 minutes, 26 seconds That's the litmus test that Trump is going on, $100 or less.
29:2929 minutes, 29 seconds So he's letting Iran make money, he's letting Russia make money, and he's having the United States and Israel and the Europeans lose money.
29:3929 minutes, 39 seconds And all of this for a war in Iran that we don't even necessarily need.
29:4629 minutes, 46 seconds As you and I have seen this week, John Kent, the secretary of national security
29:5329 minutes, 53 seconds for counterterrorism, a director, has just resigned and gave out this letter basically saying, "I did so because we're fighting a war in Iran for Israel."
30:0430 minutes, 4 seconds Now obviously all the scientists are attacking him, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and the rest.
30:0930 minutes, 9 seconds He immediately went on the Tucker Carlson show and laid out everything.
30:1330 minutes, 13 seconds I don't know if you watched that episode yet.
30:1430 minutes, 14 seconds I didn't see you, Tucker Carlson, but I read the letter and of course he's going to be attacked.
30:1930 minutes, 19 seconds This whole mad reality was created by the
30:2830 minutes, 28 seconds United States and its support for the apartheid regime.
30:3230 minutes, 32 seconds the sanctions against Russia don't make any sense?
30:3630 minutes, 36 seconds The advance of NATO towards Russia moving east, which the Russians were promised
30:4430 minutes, 44 seconds would not happen when Germany was united, happened.
30:4930 minutes, 49 seconds So in other words, this war was forced on the world by the United States.
30:5630 minutes, 56 seconds Of course the attack in Iran makes no sense to anyone. It makes no sense to anyone.
31:0131 minutes, 1 second I mean, there's no reason on earth other than elections coming up here, elections coming up over there, and this mad society, which is the Israeli society.
31:1131 minutes, 11 seconds So none of this has any bearing in reality, none of this has any bearing in reason.
31:1831 minutes, 18 seconds It's complete madness, and it's an expression of an empire
31:2631 minutes, 26 seconds that is about to disintegrate.
31:3431 minutes, 34 seconds And now all they have to show that they're strong is the ability to destroy everything around them, like this war,
31:4231 minutes, 42 seconds like the genocide in Gaza and so on. So looking for reason, looking for kind
31:5131 minutes, 51 seconds of an intellectual understanding of something that is madness, it doesn't work. I mean, you can't understand madness.
31:5931 minutes, 59 seconds That's why it's called madness.
32:0032 minutes I mean, you know, and I don't want to infer, but I think you know several
32:0732 minutes, 7 seconds ex-intelligence people, people from the intelligence community in America, FBI, CIA.
32:1532 minutes, 15 seconds Do you think that within American intelligence—I mean, I've heard reports that the U.S. military was against this,
32:2132 minutes, 21 seconds the U.S. military establishment was fighting the Trump administration not to start this war.
32:2932 minutes, 29 seconds Do you think that slowly the American military apparatus and the intelligence apparatus is turning against this war? Well, who knows?
32:3832 minutes, 38 seconds I mean, we don't hear about that in the news, but Trump fires anybody who doesn't agree with him. So, you know what I mean?
32:4432 minutes, 44 seconds If somebody disagrees, he got rid of them. That's how things like this operate.
32:5132 minutes, 51 seconds And that's why things like this fail,
32:5432 minutes, 54 seconds because they're done for reasons that don't make any sense.
32:5932 minutes, 59 seconds So of course, if you're a military expert and you see this madness, you either warn or quit or remain complicit.
33:0733 minutes, 7 seconds Those are three choices, right?
33:0933 minutes, 9 seconds And different people made different choices.
33:1133 minutes, 11 seconds Same with the intelligence community, all the whistleblowers that we know, people like John Kriakur and Raymond Gouverne,
33:1633 minutes, 16 seconds two generations and many others that resigned, you know? And they resigned because they say,
33:2433 minutes, 24 seconds "Well, we don't want to be complicit, and we're not heard.
33:2733 minutes, 27 seconds And this is madness, and we can't be part of it." So that's what's happening.
33:3133 minutes, 31 seconds And again, the war is—I mean, the vicious attack against Iran is full-blown. America can't win it.
33:4033 minutes, 40 seconds Only Iran can win this, because America,
33:4233 minutes, 42 seconds in order to win, has to—I don't know what "win" looks like, but there's no way America can win this. The United States can win this.
33:4933 minutes, 49 seconds Iran just has to survive to win and to hurt the United States and to hurt targets, Zionist targets within Palestine.
33:5933 minutes, 59 seconds And they're doing that very effectively. So once again, it's—I don't think if
34:0634 minutes, 6 seconds you have a healthy mind, you're supposed to understand madness. You can't understand madness. It's madness. That's what it's called that. And that's what we're seeing right now.
34:1334 minutes, 13 seconds And again, I'll say, it seems to me that this is the end of an era. It's again, it's this imperial power,
34:2134 minutes, 21 seconds it's this racist ideology that realize that they're crumbling, and this is their last hurrah.
34:2934 minutes, 29 seconds This is kind of like the fireworks, if you will, before the end. There's no legitimacy to any of it.
Chapter 7: The Fate of Israel
34:3534 minutes, 35 seconds There's a CIA analyst—I forget his name—that recently said he doesn't see Israel coming out of this.
34:4034 minutes, 40 seconds That he doesn't see Israel existing in the next five to ten years. Yeah, I agree.
34:4634 minutes, 46 seconds There's no way Israel—there's no way they can win this. There is no way they can win this. I mean, they're being hit so hard.
34:5334 minutes, 53 seconds Of course, we're not hearing news of exactly where things are— you know, what targets are being hit and so forth, because there's a complete blackout.
35:0135 minutes, 1 second If you look at the Hebrew news, there's not a single word about anything being hit. Nothing, only about the successes,
35:0935 minutes, 9 seconds quote-unquote, of their military in Iran,
35:1235 minutes, 12 seconds killing people in Iran, and eliminating people in Iran, and all that. All that kind of jargon. But there's no way that it can win.
35:2135 minutes, 21 seconds There's no way that they come out of this even remotely, in a better place than they were.
35:2935 minutes, 29 seconds I agree. I think this is the end of this.
35:3335 minutes, 33 seconds This is kind of the last few breaths of this regime. Yeah, I believe—I agree with you.
35:3835 minutes, 38 seconds I think Israel is not going to come out of this.
35:4035 minutes, 40 seconds It's not going to exist in the next five to ten years.
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Chapter 9: Al Aqsa will destroyed soon
37:3137 minutes, 31 seconds I think one of the things that allows me to understand their motives is when we
37:3837 minutes, 38 seconds see what the secretary of war, as he likes to call himself, Pete Hexeth, says that he's a crusader, right?
37:4637 minutes, 46 seconds He puts, you know, he has kephyr on his arm, which means disbeliever, which is not something to be proud of.
37:5237 minutes, 52 seconds And it doesn't mean goyim in any way or anything like that.
37:5737 minutes, 57 seconds And then also, Netanyahu, like, if you study history, you have to understand that madmen of the past have always had a
38:0538 minutes, 5 seconds dream, have always had a self-image, an imagination in their head of who they will become. And it's always some great destiny.
38:1338 minutes, 13 seconds I mean, I don't know, he sees himself as, you know, this great leader, I'm sure,
38:1938 minutes, 19 seconds but he is also just a power-hungry human being, a power-hungry politician.
38:2638 minutes, 26 seconds And he knows how to stay in power better than any other politician there, and so that's why he's still in power. But...
38:3438 minutes, 34 seconds And again, his extremism, extreme compared to what?
38:3838 minutes, 38 seconds He is not any different than all the others, really, prime ministers, in terms of ideology. In terms of rhetoric, maybe a little bit,
38:4838 minutes, 48 seconds but if you look back and you listen to what Zionist leaders have said from the beginning, he is no different.
38:5538 minutes, 55 seconds Just right now, we see it in front of our eyes.
38:5738 minutes, 57 seconds Imagine if, you know, not by 1948, people had seen, you know, or during the Holocaust, people had seen this alive,
39:0639 minutes, 6 seconds how would they have responded, right? So it's a very different time. But in terms of ideology, in terms of...
39:1139 minutes, 11 seconds I mean, if you look at the makeup of the political figures within the Knesset, you know, the parliament, the Zionist
39:1839 minutes, 18 seconds parliament, there is no dissent to what is happening.
39:2539 minutes, 25 seconds Not to the war, not to the attack in Iran, of Iran, not to the genocide in Gaza, not to the ethnic cleansing of the parts of Palestine.
39:3339 minutes, 33 seconds They're all on the same page.
39:3539 minutes, 35 seconds So if there was a different prime minister, which I doubt we'll see anytime soon, but even if there was, they would change nothing. They would change nothing.
39:4439 minutes, 44 seconds Maybe the rhetoric might be a little different. They would change nothing.
39:4739 minutes, 47 seconds They've taken, like you said, they've taken parts of Lebanon.
39:4939 minutes, 49 seconds They're probably going to stay, keep the litany as the northern boundary, which is something they wanted for a very long time.
39:5639 minutes, 56 seconds They've taken parts of Syria that they're very likely they're going to keep. I don't believe they will go east of the
40:0440 minutes, 4 seconds Jordan River because the King of Jordan is a very stable ally.
40:1140 minutes, 11 seconds And so I don't think they're going to do that, although a lot of them believe that they deserve it, that they should. It's a part of greater Israel.
40:1840 minutes, 18 seconds It's part of greater Israel, but it's not part of the consensus. All right. It's not part of the consensus.
40:2340 minutes, 23 seconds And so, you know, that's that's and also,
40:3040 minutes, 30 seconds like I said, his ideological upbringing goes way long before his brother was killed and became a hero.
40:4140 minutes, 41 seconds I mean, his brother was a hero before he died, too, but considered a hero.
40:4540 minutes, 45 seconds I mean, I think it's often interesting how religious extremists aren't usually religious.
40:4940 minutes, 49 seconds Like if you look at ISIS members, a lot of them don't even know anything about his son.
40:5240 minutes, 52 seconds So I think it could be true that he's not religious and that he has a religious extremist view of the world at the same time.
41:0241 minutes, 2 seconds It's not religious.
41:0341 minutes, 3 seconds It's nationalistic and racist and violent. You know what I mean?
41:0841 minutes, 8 seconds I think it's it's it degrades religion when we when we say that there's this is religion.
41:1741 minutes, 17 seconds But do you think it would help the Palestinian movement or Arab countries or I think Iran is already on this wave to
41:2641 minutes, 26 seconds understand that there's something spiritual happening here when you look at the Epstein class and their sacrifices to these demonic elements, when you look at
41:3441 minutes, 34 seconds this idea of greater Israel and creating the new Judea, Samara or whatever.
41:4041 minutes, 40 seconds And that the many generals were telling American soldiers that this is a crusade,
41:4841 minutes, 48 seconds that this is a religious war on the ground.
41:5141 minutes, 51 seconds Shouldn't then we start talking about this in a more spiritual way, like understanding, OK, well, it might be
41:5741 minutes, 57 seconds madness or it might be illogical, but it might be coming from somewhere that's not necessarily about the mind.
42:0342 minutes, 3 seconds It's more about the spirit that they see themselves and they see Iran as Amalak and they see how would you fight it differently at the end of the day?
42:1142 minutes, 11 seconds You have to get rid of it, you know.
42:1342 minutes, 13 seconds And so giving it again, giving it a spiritual or seeing it as a spiritual expressive makes no sense because there's nothing spiritual about it.
42:2342 minutes, 23 seconds It's it's completely it's it's violence, it's racism, it's cruelty. And, you know,
42:2942 minutes, 29 seconds a lot of these things that people think are a lot of symbols that people think are religious, Jewish, they're not. They're secular,
42:3642 minutes, 36 seconds nationalistic, Zionist symbols. And one of them is Al-Aqsa.
42:4442 minutes, 44 seconds So in 1967, so in 1967, when the military
42:5242 minutes, 52 seconds took East Jerusalem, the commander later became the army chief of staff, but the commander was completely secular Israeli,
43:0343 minutes, 3 seconds you know, stood up and said, the Temple Mount is in our hands. And that became iconic.
43:0943 minutes, 9 seconds And he every Israeli knows that that sentence. Everyone knows that sentence. It became iconic. Now, I grew up secular.
43:1843 minutes, 18 seconds Most Israelis grew up secular.
43:2043 minutes, 20 seconds Why would they care about the Temple Mount? It's a national symbol.
43:2643 minutes, 26 seconds Building the temple is an expression of our national aspirations as Zionists. So it's not a religious thing.
43:3443 minutes, 34 seconds The state of Israel, the Ministry of Education sponsors education programs that teach young people how to serve in the temple.
43:4843 minutes, 48 seconds The temple is not there, right? I remember singing.
43:5143 minutes, 51 seconds I remember singing as a child songs about, you know, how we're going to build it to rebuild the temple. I think back in the way, why why were we singing that? What do we care about the temple?
43:5943 minutes, 59 seconds We're almost atheist or certainly non-religious Zionist.
44:0544 minutes, 5 seconds I mean, what's that got to do with anything? It's a national.
44:0844 minutes, 8 seconds It's an expression of the Zionist desire for, you know, its own glory.
44:1744 minutes, 17 seconds And speaking of Al-Aqsa, as you know,
44:1944 minutes, 19 seconds during Ramadan, most of Ramadan, there was no access to Muslims to pray. And it's empty. I mean, the entire ground is empty.
44:2744 minutes, 27 seconds I've been there many times. It's an incredible place.
44:2944 minutes, 29 seconds I think it's more incredible, more beautiful, certainly more significant than the Taj Mahal or Notre Dame in Paris or the Vatican.
44:3944 minutes, 39 seconds I mean, it's older. It's more beautiful.
44:4044 minutes, 40 seconds It's got a much longer history, of course. But why has it been empty so long?
44:4744 minutes, 47 seconds If we look at the pattern, the Zionist pattern, when they want to take something, the first thing they do is they make sure Palestinians are excluded from entering the space.
44:5844 minutes, 58 seconds The next thing they do is whatever they want to do with the space, which is usually to build something for themselves. I remember being there in 2021.
45:0945 minutes, 9 seconds There was a huge uprising in 2021 in a national strike threat all of Palestine.
45:1445 minutes, 14 seconds And at one point, some of the brush, some
45:2245 minutes, 22 seconds of the vegetation around Al-Aqsa in the compound caught fire.
45:3245 minutes, 32 seconds And the Barak, you know, the Western Wall is just below it.
45:3545 minutes, 35 seconds And you see all, you saw all these Zionists, young Zionists, dancing, you know, with their flags and everything.
45:4445 minutes, 44 seconds And at the top, you saw the Golden Dome and a fire. And I thought, this is it. This is it. This is what they want.
45:5345 minutes, 53 seconds They want the place to catch fire and disappear or maybe a missile falls.
45:5945 minutes, 59 seconds And I've been saying this, especially I've been saying this in when I speak in front of Muslim audiences.
46:0346 minutes, 3 seconds This place, if we don't act, if somebody does intervene, will be destroyed.
46:1646 minutes, 16 seconds Will be destroyed. And when it is. It will come back.
46:2246 minutes, 22 seconds It is it is such a significant place for religious reasons, of course. I mean, for Muslims, of course.
46:2946 minutes, 29 seconds The history of it, how old it is, the architecture, the beauty.
46:3646 minutes, 36 seconds I mean, there's so many things culturally that go into that place that by far exceed any other of the greatest great monuments around the world.
46:4546 minutes, 45 seconds And I've seen so many of them. And they want to ruin it. They want to destroy it. And they will if they're not stopped.
46:5246 minutes, 52 seconds And as I see the entire of ground, the entire compound empty for this long.
47:0247 minutes, 2 seconds I'm seeing all other parts of Palestine where people, Palestinians were denied entry for a very long time.
47:0947 minutes, 9 seconds And the military comes in or whoever and they do what they want with it.
47:1347 minutes, 13 seconds And it's likely they'll make it look like an accident.
47:1647 minutes, 16 seconds Iranian missile or or a fire or something. You know, in fact, I have friends,
47:2247 minutes, 22 seconds Palestinian friends from all over Palestine who now they can't go. But during particularly Ramadan.
47:3047 minutes, 30 seconds But in general, they would go there and spend the night to protect the place because settlers command.
47:3547 minutes, 35 seconds You know, Zionists, young Zionists command and try to destroy it. And they would sleep. They'd spend the night there. Even though there was a lot of violence. But now nobody can enter.
47:4447 minutes, 44 seconds I'm sure the first thing that's going to happen is they're going to allow these young Zionist settlers to go in there.
47:4947 minutes, 49 seconds Pray and do whatever they want before they allow Muslims. And when it's gone, it's going to be gone. That's it. You know, once it's gone, it's gone.
47:5847 minutes, 58 seconds A place like that, you can't.
48:0048 minutes You know, if you rebuild it, it's not the same. This place has a history.
48:0548 minutes, 5 seconds Longer than all of these other places that are significant and a beauty.
48:0948 minutes, 9 seconds And, you know, I remember you always see like, you know, teachers taking their class at Palestinian kids from schools in Jerusalem, you know, going in there,
48:1748 minutes, 17 seconds having a picnic, playing a little bit.
48:1848 minutes, 18 seconds You know, it's a very beautiful, quiet, inspiring space.
48:2548 minutes, 25 seconds So people always say, oh, you know, if they do this or if they do that, the entire Muslim world will rise.
48:3248 minutes, 32 seconds And they don't, you know, they said they would do that.
48:3748 minutes, 37 seconds If America, if the United States recognizes Jerusalem as a capital, they didn't.
48:4248 minutes, 42 seconds They already took the Ebrahim Mosque in Al Khalil, which is, you know, in terms of importance is almost as important as the Salakza.
48:5148 minutes, 51 seconds They took it.
48:5248 minutes, 52 seconds I mean, Muslims can still pray there, but the conditions are terrible and the settlers basically own it and the soldiers.
48:5948 minutes, 59 seconds So what, and I've been saying this for years, if people don't intervene, if countries don't intervene,
49:0849 minutes, 8 seconds not only will the genocide of the Palestinian people continue uninterrupted, but that that gem of a place will be destroyed.
49:1949 minutes, 19 seconds And they don't care.
49:2149 minutes, 21 seconds They already have models of what they want to put instead. They have pictures.
49:2849 minutes, 28 seconds There's posters with this other thing there, which they call the temple. It's ridiculous. But instead of Al-Aqsa.
49:3549 minutes, 35 seconds You know, they've been, they talk about it, they plan it, they do these tours.
49:4349 minutes, 43 seconds And I went on several of them just to see what these people are like.
49:4849 minutes, 48 seconds And so from Al-Borak there's a bridge that goes up to the hill, to Al-Aqsa, to the compound. And in the middle, there's kind of a waiting area.
49:5649 minutes, 56 seconds And there's a model of this thing they want to build there. A very, very detailed, very large model.
50:0250 minutes, 2 seconds You know, they are, if there's one thing about the Zionists that we know, is that they plan ahead.
50:1350 minutes, 13 seconds And they're usually light years ahead of us, who care for justice and so forth and peace and liberation.
50:2150 minutes, 21 seconds So I just, I just, I think it's important to emphasize this.
50:2550 minutes, 25 seconds It's important for people to realize what we're talking about.
50:2850 minutes, 28 seconds You know, certainly the loss of human beings, as we've seen in Palestine,
50:3450 minutes, 34 seconds particularly the last few years, a couple of years, is, I mean, there are no words to describe it, right?
50:4350 minutes, 43 seconds This Al-Aqsa destroyed, it's in the planning. There's no question about that either.
50:4950 minutes, 49 seconds And if the world doesn't intervene, the genocide will go uninterrupted, and that place, this iconic, its value is immeasurable, will be destroyed.
Chapter 10: What Do We Do?
51:0251 minutes, 2 seconds I mean, I believe you're absolutely and 100% correct.
51:0651 minutes, 6 seconds And what I fear is exactly what you're saying is that many people, many Muslims won't do a thing about it. I mean,
51:1251 minutes, 12 seconds we watched hundreds of thousands of people die and we didn't do anything about it. Yeah, I mean, what are they going to do? What are we going to do? Well, that's what I'm saying. I mean, what are these?
51:1951 minutes, 19 seconds So I tell people, look, as constituents, as citizens, pressure your governments,
51:2551 minutes, 25 seconds pressure your governments not to normalize, pressure your governments to oppose sanctions.
51:3051 minutes, 30 seconds It won't stop unless there are severe sanctions, unless the Six Fleet is there.
51:3651 minutes, 36 seconds You know, Six Fleet is the fleet in the Mediterranean, imposing an off-lie zone on Gaza, enforcing blockade, enforcing an arms embargo.
51:4551 minutes, 45 seconds Severe measures have to be taken in order for this to stop.
51:5051 minutes, 50 seconds And if they're not taken, it's not going to stop.
51:5451 minutes, 54 seconds Shouldn't the Arab countries lead the way in this? How? But how do we expect Europeans who...
51:5951 minutes, 59 seconds Because that's the only, those are the only ones that have the power. What are our states going to do?
52:0352 minutes, 3 seconds We have masses of people marching on Palestine. That's not how it works.
52:0752 minutes, 7 seconds You can't cross all these different countries.
52:0952 minutes, 9 seconds The Europeans, the imperialists, the capitalists, they are the ones, the colonizers.
52:1852 minutes, 18 seconds And there is a growing sentiment in public opinion.
52:2152 minutes, 21 seconds I mean, Spain just downgraded their diplomatic relations. Sweden seems to be following in others.
52:2852 minutes, 28 seconds But there has to be intense, intense action by governments. What do you think will get us there?
52:3552 minutes, 35 seconds What do you think will completely revolutionize the European-American governments? Pressure. Pressure from below.
52:4352 minutes, 43 seconds I mean, they've been feeling pressure from... Not enough. Clearly not enough. As long as these governments... So what these governments do, they say,
52:5152 minutes, 51 seconds "Oh, we recognize the Palestinian state." What state? What are you recognizing? It's nonsense. You're not doing anything. You're not helping anyone.
52:5752 minutes, 57 seconds You need to recognize that the apartheid regime is illegal and must be dismantled and then act to see it happen.
53:0553 minutes, 5 seconds And all trade, all diplomatic relations,
53:0853 minutes, 8 seconds boycott teams from the apartheid regime in the Olympics and whatever.
53:1353 minutes, 13 seconds Any areas, any arenas where different countries send their delegations, they should be barred. This will not stop.
53:2253 minutes, 22 seconds We haven't seen anything yet.
53:2553 minutes, 25 seconds And I say this with the hindsight of what's been going on in Gaza since 2023 until such action happens, and it won't
53:3353 minutes, 33 seconds happen unless we, as constituents, do everything we can to push our governments in that direction.
53:4253 minutes, 42 seconds Is there a way for us to strategize?
53:4453 minutes, 44 seconds You mentioned how designists are light-years ahead in strategy than us.
53:4953 minutes, 49 seconds What should we do when it comes to this to strategize?
53:5253 minutes, 52 seconds I know you're saying governments, but is there anything we can...
53:5753 minutes, 57 seconds Netanyahu and his group were writing articles strategizing that seven-country war.
54:0454 minutes, 4 seconds Is there anything that we can do on that kind of level where we write think tanks and... Of course we can. We don't need think tanks. Things are always time.
54:1254 minutes, 12 seconds They just write stuff. We need action. Now, we need to plan strategically.
54:1754 minutes, 17 seconds And that's really one of the reasons why we founded Palestine-ASO Freedom and one of the things that we're doing is we need to think strategically.
54:2454 minutes, 24 seconds We need to understand what the objective is, what our limitations are, what their
54:3154 minutes, 31 seconds limitations are, and we need to work together strategically. And right now we're not. We're all over the place, and that's part of the problem.
54:3854 minutes, 38 seconds But we are all over the place, whereas they are... They march to the tune, even with their differences,
54:4554 minutes, 45 seconds and a lot of differences between the Zionists and arguments, but they march to the tune when they're called. And we're not. We don't even have a tune.
54:5454 minutes, 54 seconds We're not even a movement, really, I think, in many ways. So that's starting to change. There are some politicians who get it.
55:0455 minutes, 4 seconds There are some attempts to get together,
55:0655 minutes, 6 seconds and again, we're hoping that this place will be that gathering place where all the different groups do incredibly important work,
55:1655 minutes, 16 seconds understand where we're going, at least agree on where we're going. And you do this part, you do this part,
55:2155 minutes, 21 seconds you do this part, we do this part, and so on, which is all important. But there is no strategizing. There is no...
55:3055 minutes, 30 seconds Well, there's no central command. There's no central entity.
55:3655 minutes, 36 seconds South Africa, they had the South African Communist Party, they had the ANC, they worked together. Nothing happened.
55:4355 minutes, 43 seconds Most things were... policy was decided. Who does what was pretty much determined.
55:4955 minutes, 49 seconds I mean, it wasn't perfect, nothing ever is, but revolutionary movements are far from perfect.
55:5355 minutes, 53 seconds But without that, we're just a bunch of little groups running around.
56:0156 minutes, 1 second So that's one of the things why we're reason we wanted to establish this place in a high-profile location with a flag and the name Palestine, with events, with
56:1156 minutes, 11 seconds a strategy for building a curriculum as well that we're working on, a very serious curriculum, using Palestinian sources.
56:1956 minutes, 19 seconds We do the events here focusing on Palestine, Palestinian culture,
56:2356 minutes, 23 seconds Palestinian history, Palestinian politics, people that have the full picture, and then work towards a common goal.
56:3056 minutes, 30 seconds And right now, when you ask people, so when you say "free Palestine," what do you mean? A lot of people are like, "Well, you're not sure."
56:4156 minutes, 41 seconds And that's the problem.
56:4256 minutes, 42 seconds We need to understand, and what we do is we're a conduit for Palestinian voices on the ground.
56:4956 minutes, 49 seconds We're a conduit for the voices of Palestinian leaders, grassroots leaders on the ground in Palestine. This is not me or some person's idea.
56:5856 minutes, 58 seconds These are established ideas.
57:0057 minutes This is an established route, if you will, and an established understanding that there's an established objective,
57:0957 minutes, 9 seconds the liberation of Palestine from apartheid, dismantling apartheid, putting
57:1457 minutes, 14 seconds in actual path for the refugees to return, actual mechanisms,
57:2457 minutes, 24 seconds not using it as a slogan.
57:2757 minutes, 27 seconds It's me creating a real democracy in Palestine with equal rights.
57:3157 minutes, 31 seconds So, usually, unfortunately, Muslims tend to be probably your highest form or
57:3957 minutes, 39 seconds income of human capital, right, as Palestine House of Freedom, I'm guessing, right? Well, that's the majority of your base.
57:4857 minutes, 48 seconds What do you think, what frustrates you as someone who's not Muslim about how the Muslim community in America organizes, or
57:5557 minutes, 55 seconds the Palestinian community organizes, to get stuff like this done, to protect al-Aqsa, to make sure that we can save al-Aqsa? Well, to be honest...
58:0458 minutes, 4 seconds And Palestinians, obviously.
58:0658 minutes, 6 seconds We have actually had great response from different organizations, different individuals in the Muslim community,
58:1558 minutes, 15 seconds the various Muslim communities, I should say, because, you know, you've got different groups, different people coming from different parts of the world.
58:2358 minutes, 23 seconds And so, I mean, everybody can do more, but I think in terms of organizations,
58:3058 minutes, 30 seconds what the Muslims are doing, particularly in the United States, is actually incredible. We can all do more.
58:3858 minutes, 38 seconds At the same time, you know, my second book was "Injustice, the Story of the Holy Land Foundation."
58:4358 minutes, 43 seconds If you've heard of the Holy Land Foundation, you know, that book relates what happened to that excellent organization and to five of the finest
58:5258 minutes, 52 seconds people you'll ever meet, ending up in federal prison, two of them for 65 years.
58:5958 minutes, 59 seconds That was meant to scare the Muslim communities in this country, and it did, for good reason.
59:0559 minutes, 5 seconds That was the major blow, because the organization was well-respected, very effective, even though it was small.
59:1559 minutes, 15 seconds You know, I can't tell you how many people I meet around the country that remember that doing Ramadan, they would volunteer or send checks or do whatever for the Holy Land Foundation.
59:2659 minutes, 26 seconds So when the organization was designated a terrorist organization, was designated as an organization providing material support for terrorism,
59:3659 minutes, 36 seconds which, by the way, there's no burden of proof, the government can just decide that you and I are now supporting terrorism.
59:4259 minutes, 42 seconds So, I mean, there's nothing, it's a very easy process. And these five excellent people,
59:4859 minutes, 48 seconds excellent men that everybody respected and loved deeply and for good reason. So three of them ended their sentence,
59:5759 minutes, 57 seconds two of them got 15 years, they're both out of the country.
1:00:011 hour, 1 second Third one just ended his 20 years, and the other two, Shokri Abu Bakr, Rasan al-Aji, got 65 years in prison.
1:00:111 hour, 11 seconds These are the finest people you'll ever meet, you know, and there's campaigns for them and all kinds of stuff.
1:00:171 hour, 17 seconds But now, if you're a member of one of the Muslim communities, how would you not be scared?
1:00:231 hour, 23 seconds How are you not going to be scared for your kids?
1:00:261 hour, 26 seconds Hell, they're scared when they go to the mosque. And that was the intent.
1:00:311 hour, 31 seconds So once again, when I look at that community and I see what they do and the contributions they do make for Palestine,
1:00:391 hour, 39 seconds it's not easy, and still a lot of it gets done.
1:00:431 hour, 43 seconds So again, I think the onus is on people of privilege,
1:00:501 hour, 50 seconds privilege people, white people, people like myself, you know, privileged communities in this country and in the West, it's on them to make the change.
1:01:001 hour, 1 minute It's on them to use the privilege to bring about the change, to end this colonial mentality, to end this capitalist mentality, to end this
1:01:091 hour, 1 minute, 9 seconds massacre, this genocide of people who are not white. I mean, if Iran was a Western country,
1:01:181 hour, 1 minute, 18 seconds things would be different, right? It's completely, completely up to us as
1:01:241 hour, 1 minute, 24 seconds people who are privileged to push this as far as we can. Of course, everybody else does.
1:01:301 hour, 1 minute, 30 seconds I mean, plenty of people of color that participate in this struggle. But it's a threat for them.
1:01:411 hour, 1 minute, 41 seconds It's not a threat on us. It puts them in danger. It doesn't put us in danger. Do you think we're getting close?
Chapter 11: Are White People changing?
1:01:461 hour, 1 minute, 46 seconds Do you think we're getting close where white people are changing and going to act? A little bit, yeah. A little bit, yeah.
1:01:531 hour, 1 minute, 53 seconds I mean, we've seen all these young Jewish organizations that are, you know, calling out the genocide and that are, again, now coming out in rejecting Zionism.
1:02:051 hour, 2 minutes, 5 seconds So we see, I mean, there is a shift in this country in the United States. There is certainly a shift in Europe. But it's not enough,
1:02:151 hour, 2 minutes, 15 seconds obviously, because...
1:02:161 hour, 2 minutes, 16 seconds And again, to be honest, I think the next election coming up in November and the one after that, presidential elections,
1:02:221 hour, 2 minutes, 22 seconds we're going to be some major changes in terms of the conversation of Palestine.
1:02:261 hour, 2 minutes, 26 seconds It's going to be completely different than what we've seen so far.
1:02:311 hour, 2 minutes, 31 seconds And the support for, you know, the apartheid regime and so on.
1:02:381 hour, 2 minutes, 38 seconds But at the same time, we need to provide them with a roadmap. We need to provide them with a strategy.
1:02:451 hour, 2 minutes, 45 seconds We need to educate them so they know what is needed, because they don't know. I mean, members of Congress, they've got their constituents. They've got their priorities.
1:02:531 hour, 2 minutes, 53 seconds They've got, you know, Palestine is maybe down the list somewhere, but they never get to it, because they have constituents they care of and they have to get reelected every two years.
1:03:021 hour, 3 minutes, 2 seconds So they have to raise them. You know what I mean? So we need to push this forward. We need to make it front and center,
1:03:071 hour, 3 minutes, 7 seconds which is, again, why we want it to be in a high-profile place.
1:03:091 hour, 3 minutes, 9 seconds Of course, we're just a few blocks from the Capitol. We're on Pennsylvania Avenue. You can't miss it. It has to be in people's face.
1:03:161 hour, 3 minutes, 16 seconds It has to be there all the time so that they know they can come and they can get the information and they can get reliable information here.
1:03:241 hour, 3 minutes, 24 seconds They can get Palestinian-centered information as opposed to all these other experts and think tanks and what have you
1:03:321 hour, 3 minutes, 32 seconds as white people that are experts on the lives of people who are not white, which is the norm. Yeah.
1:03:401 hour, 3 minutes, 40 seconds I mean, I think that's very important.
1:03:421 hour, 3 minutes, 42 seconds And I'm curious what your curriculum is about, because even when we saw Mn Donny last week, you know, I've enjoyed seeing as a mayor of New York, I think he's a
1:03:501 hour, 3 minutes, 50 seconds great guy, and I think he's a great mayor.
1:03:531 hour, 3 minutes, 53 seconds But his reaction to his wife's tweet, for example, it didn't seem like he knew how to respond correctly.
1:03:581 hour, 3 minutes, 58 seconds Like many people said, he threw his wife under the bus and condemned her tweet,
1:04:031 hour, 4 minutes, 3 seconds even though the tweet she liked or reposted, whatever it was.
1:04:071 hour, 4 minutes, 7 seconds She drew, she provided the art for a book by Susan Abulhawa.
1:04:121 hour, 4 minutes, 12 seconds Susan Abulhawa was a great Palestinian writer, and I know her, she's a friend, and she is hated by the Zionists.
1:04:221 hour, 4 minutes, 22 seconds And so Mn Donny's wife, who's an artist, the professional artist, provided the art for the book.
1:04:301 hour, 4 minutes, 30 seconds That's what this is about.
1:04:331 hour, 4 minutes, 33 seconds And, you know, they said that Susan Abulhawa called the Jews this and called the Jews that. It's complete nonsense.
1:04:391 hour, 4 minutes, 39 seconds She's referring to these horrible acts committed by, by the way, the Jews who are Zionists, you know, in the military
1:04:461 hour, 4 minutes, 46 seconds and, you know, in the apartheid Zionist space.
1:04:511 hour, 4 minutes, 51 seconds And she described them in ways that I feel are completely appropriate, you know. And I'm sure, and I'm sure... And you're Jewish.
1:05:001 hour, 5 minutes You're of Jewish background. Yeah. Yeah, but it's a Judaism.
1:05:041 hour, 5 minutes, 4 seconds I mean, if the Jews are criminal, he's a criminal. I don't care if he's Jewish or not,
1:05:061 hour, 5 minutes, 6 seconds because the criminal needs to go to jail, right?
1:05:081 hour, 5 minutes, 8 seconds We're not going to open all the prisons and let the Jews out because they're Jews, right?
1:05:111 hour, 5 minutes, 11 seconds It's a ridiculous kind of, you know, paradigm. So I don't know what he was asked. I didn't look at it too much.
1:05:191 hour, 5 minutes, 19 seconds You know, it's very easy to attack somebody like that. And I'm like, whatever.
1:05:231 hour, 5 minutes, 23 seconds But the context is important because what she did, she provided art. I don't think they even know each other.
1:05:281 hour, 5 minutes, 28 seconds From what I understand, they don't even know each other. It was the publisher and agent. I mean, it was all very formal.
1:05:361 hour, 5 minutes, 36 seconds Now, anti-Semitism is obviously a form of racism, right? It's racism directed at Jews.
1:05:411 hour, 5 minutes, 41 seconds It's not this new definition that the Zionists created, which is called the IHRA definition, which everybody suddenly decided to adopt.
1:05:511 hour, 5 minutes, 51 seconds That is nonsense.
1:05:531 hour, 5 minutes, 53 seconds Anti-Semitism, like other forms of racism, I mean, I don't think it's an elevated form of racism.
1:05:571 hour, 5 minutes, 57 seconds It's racism like anything like any other form of racism.
1:06:011 hour, 6 minutes, 1 second And it should be...it should be zero tolerance for it.
1:06:061 hour, 6 minutes, 6 seconds Zionism, on the other hand, is racism, is white supremacy, is violent. Is anti-Semitism. Is anti-Semitism.
Chapter 12: Zionism is Antisemitism
1:06:151 hour, 6 minutes, 15 seconds You read what the early Zionists said about the Jewish communities in Europe, the traditional religious Jews.
1:06:251 hour, 6 minutes, 25 seconds You will not believe what they said about their old people.
1:06:281 hour, 6 minutes, 28 seconds They would say, basically, the point was a Zionist is the opposite of what a Jew is.
1:06:331 hour, 6 minutes, 33 seconds And I'm quoting, you know, so what's a Zionist?
1:06:381 hour, 6 minutes, 38 seconds Because you're talking to Jewish people, right?
1:06:401 hour, 6 minutes, 40 seconds They have these crazy impressions of, I don't know, Greek gods or something. I don't know.
1:06:441 hour, 6 minutes, 44 seconds But the point is that it belongs in the same column as all other forms of racism that should not be tolerated.
1:06:551 hour, 6 minutes, 55 seconds And there's little whispers in the history books that the Zionists funded Hitler's campaign against the Jews to scare them.
1:07:031 hour, 7 minutes, 3 seconds They didn't fund it, but they...when the Zionists had an opportunity,
1:07:081 hour, 7 minutes, 8 seconds opportunities in some cases, to deal with Hitler in order to save Jews.
1:07:171 hour, 7 minutes, 17 seconds There's a famous saying by David Ben-Gurion, who was the first Israeli Prime Minister.
1:07:221 hour, 7 minutes, 22 seconds He said, "If I had to choose between no Holocaust and no Israel, or Holocaust and the creation of Israel,
1:07:311 hour, 7 minutes, 31 seconds I would choose the latter." Wow.
1:07:341 hour, 7 minutes, 34 seconds That's the kind of mindset the Zionists have. Yeah.
1:07:371 hour, 7 minutes, 37 seconds And when the Holocaust survivors, very few Holocaust survivors actually went to what became Israel, and they were treated with contempt. Really?
1:07:451 hour, 7 minutes, 45 seconds Yeah.
1:07:461 hour, 7 minutes, 46 seconds Holocaust survivors in Israel treated with contempt. Yes. Why?
1:07:501 hour, 7 minutes, 50 seconds Because they were not masculine and militaristic and stuff like that.
1:07:551 hour, 7 minutes, 55 seconds They were a stain on the strong view of the Jewish chosen... Yeah, exactly.
1:08:011 hour, 8 minutes, 1 second That's where so many of them that did go leave, left. Interesting.
1:08:051 hour, 8 minutes, 5 seconds So, you know, Zionism is a terrible thing. There should be no tolerance for Zionism.
1:08:121 hour, 8 minutes, 12 seconds And again, I don't know if you saw, but Susan Ablawa put out a video, an excellent video, in response to that. No, I did not.
1:08:201 hour, 8 minutes, 20 seconds Yeah, an excellent video in response to that. I'll be sure to put it up.
1:08:241 hour, 8 minutes, 24 seconds Yeah, no, from the clip I saw, it doesn't sound like he was attacking her.
1:08:291 hour, 8 minutes, 29 seconds It sounds like he was attacking the idea of using that terminology against Jews. I see.
1:08:331 hour, 8 minutes, 33 seconds So, you know, you've got to put things in perspective.
1:08:361 hour, 8 minutes, 36 seconds But her video, she put out a pretty long video on social media addressing this.
1:08:401 hour, 8 minutes, 40 seconds And she did it in a very thoughtful and honest way. I applaud her for that.
Chapter 13: Ad
1:08:481 hour, 8 minutes, 48 seconds Every soul was created with purpose, and every believer was given a chance to act.
1:08:531 hour, 8 minutes, 53 seconds You may not see it now, but your giving could be someone's lifeline, a child's next meal, a widow's rent, a family's clean water.
1:09:031 hour, 9 minutes, 3 seconds Humanity believes this ummah was made to carry each other.
1:09:061 hour, 9 minutes, 6 seconds The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Whoever helps ease one in difficulty, Allah will make it easy for him in this world and the hereafter."
1:09:151 hour, 9 minutes, 15 seconds That's why humanity was built.
1:09:171 hour, 9 minutes, 17 seconds To bring back the spirit of rahmah, of mercy, that defined this ummah from the very beginning. Not just hate, but solutions.
1:09:261 hour, 9 minutes, 26 seconds Solar-powered water systems, direct zakafans delivered to the hands of those who need it, orphans given a chance to learn, to grow and lead.
1:09:371 hour, 9 minutes, 37 seconds This is not your average non-profit. They removed the red tape.
1:09:411 hour, 9 minutes, 41 seconds They've reimagined charity from the ground up with transparency, trust and ʻIhsan.
1:09:481 hour, 9 minutes, 48 seconds Humanity is a registered US and Canadian charity with a 100% zakah policy. They work with trusted partners,
1:09:551 hour, 9 minutes, 55 seconds including UN agencies, to ensure your donation is safe, accountable and impactful.
1:10:021 hour, 10 minutes, 2 seconds But more than that, they are a movement,
1:10:051 hour, 10 minutes, 5 seconds a global wave of believers who see suffering and say, "I will do something."
1:10:111 hour, 10 minutes, 11 seconds So if you believe in mercy, if you believe in change, if you want your sadaqah and zakah to leave a mark on the
1:10:191 hour, 10 minutes, 19 seconds world, this is your moment and this is humanity.
1:10:231 hour, 10 minutes, 23 seconds Go to wearehumanity.org and give today and make your mark.
Chapter 14: Trump & Epstein
1:10:371 hour, 10 minutes, 37 seconds Do you think that Donald Trump has abandoned the America First campaign?
1:10:411 hour, 10 minutes, 41 seconds I don't think Donald Trump has any campaign other than Donald Trump First. You know, I mean, he just goes... I mean, look at it.
1:10:501 hour, 10 minutes, 50 seconds You heard... How could...
1:10:521 hour, 10 minutes, 52 seconds Look at everything he's done and show me one thing that put...
1:10:561 hour, 10 minutes, 56 seconds You know, the people who live in the United States first.
1:11:011 hour, 11 minutes, 1 second Show me one thing that he's done that has prioritized the well-being of people in this country over his own profit.
1:11:101 hour, 11 minutes, 10 seconds Show me one thing. Actually, I don't know a single thing. I don't think there is one. No. I don't think there is one.
1:11:161 hour, 11 minutes, 16 seconds It's all about him and his bottom line and lining up his pockets. That's the only thing. He's using all these slogans, you know,
1:11:241 hour, 11 minutes, 24 seconds because that's what he does. But he's never had anybody first. It's him first. You see Professor Jengz.
1:11:341 hour, 11 minutes, 34 seconds You know that Asian professor that's come out and has all these predictions. He had three predictions so far. Two of them are right. He stands in front of that board. Oh, yeah.
1:11:421 hour, 11 minutes, 42 seconds You saw how he said that Jared Kushner is the new Jeffrey Epstein. Yeah, I saw that. What do you think of that? I don't know.
1:11:481 hour, 11 minutes, 48 seconds I mean, the whole Jeffrey Epstein thing in a way is it's part of white supremacy.
1:11:561 hour, 11 minutes, 56 seconds It's been part of white supremacy going back in this country, certainly hundreds of years. What did the first colonizers do?
1:12:021 hour, 12 minutes, 2 seconds They took little native girls and raped them and gave them all kinds of horrible diseases. What did they do with slaves? What did Thomas Jefferson do?
1:12:091 hour, 12 minutes, 9 seconds Thomas Jefferson is, you know, Monticello is not far from here.
1:12:141 hour, 12 minutes, 14 seconds You know, he was a pedophile and a rapist.
1:12:181 hour, 12 minutes, 18 seconds And his farm, which is again right here in Virginia, he had single men working there.
1:12:261 hour, 12 minutes, 26 seconds And they had free access to these young slave women. And the babies remained as slaves.
1:12:331 hour, 12 minutes, 33 seconds In other words, it benefited his pocket. Wow. So basically he had a farm for slaves.
1:12:411 hour, 12 minutes, 41 seconds And he was a slave to his own son himself.
1:12:411 hour, 12 minutes, 41 seconds The story of his, whatever, she was 14 year old or whatever. And when you go to Monticello, they say, well, we don't know.
1:12:491 hour, 12 minutes, 49 seconds Maybe it was consensual.
1:12:521 hour, 12 minutes, 52 seconds So Jeffrey Epstein is part, again, it's an integral part of white supremacist culture and colonial culture.
1:13:001 hour, 13 minutes In this country for sure, other countries too, but in this country for sure.
1:13:041 hour, 13 minutes, 4 seconds From the very beginning people are shocked. Oh my God. What do you expect?
1:13:091 hour, 13 minutes, 9 seconds Abusing their power and using helpless victims for their pleasure. What's new?
1:13:171 hour, 13 minutes, 17 seconds You talked about the Roman Empire. What's new? There's nothing new about this.
1:13:231 hour, 13 minutes, 23 seconds Do you think the greatest step to American security right now is greater Israel? This idea?
1:13:291 hour, 13 minutes, 29 seconds It doesn't have to be greater Israel, but certainly the alliance between the Zionist regime and the United States has not benefited the United States one bit.
1:13:401 hour, 13 minutes, 40 seconds It only exists because, I mean, it benefited weapons manufacturers. Oh yeah.
1:13:461 hour, 13 minutes, 46 seconds But it hasn't benefited the United States one bit.
1:13:491 hour, 13 minutes, 49 seconds I mean, Iraq, the so-called war on terror, the war on Islam, the war on Arabs.
1:13:591 hour, 13 minutes, 59 seconds None of this.
1:14:001 hour, 14 minutes And it's all the stems from this really just nasty and holy alliance with this
1:14:101 hour, 14 minutes, 10 seconds other white supremacist regime, which is the Zionist regime in Palestine.
Chapter 15: Final Thoughts
1:14:141 hour, 14 minutes, 14 seconds Mikko Paled, that's all the questions that I have for you.
1:14:171 hour, 14 minutes, 17 seconds Do you have any final thoughts before we head off? Fight for Palestine. This is the fight of our lifetime. We are all going to be judged, all of us,
1:14:251 hour, 14 minutes, 25 seconds by our children, our grandchildren. They're going to ask us, where were you? What did you do?
1:14:311 hour, 14 minutes, 31 seconds And so make sure you do something every day, every day.
1:14:371 hour, 14 minutes, 37 seconds Find your niche and find a way to support the Palestinian cause. Mr.
1:14:431 hour, 14 minutes, 43 seconds Mikko Paled, founder and president of Palestine House of Freedom.
1:14:471 hour, 14 minutes, 47 seconds Thank you so much for joining the Ansari podcast. It was a pleasure to have you. Thank you. It's a pleasure.
1:14:521 hour, 14 minutes, 52 seconds And if you guys would like to donate or check out or support or come visit Palestine House of Freedom, you can go on PalestineHouseOfFreedom.org.
1:15:001 hour, 15 minutes And once again, thank you guys for listening to the Ansari podcast. Salaam alaikum.



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