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Peter Beinart - "Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning" | The Daily Show

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Editor-at-large of "Jewish Currents," who writes "The Beinart Notebook" on Substack, Peter Beinart sits down with Jon Stewart to discuss his book, "Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning," and speaking out against Israel. They talk about learning from Jewish history to be the saviors rather than the oppressors, America and the U.N.’s failure to hold Benjamin Netanyahu accountable, the urgency of engaging in critical discourse with other Jews, and how listening to Palestinian stories can illuminate the dehumanizing conditions. 

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<가자 지구 파괴 이후 유대인으로 살기: 심판> 요약

본 내용은 <데일리 쇼>의 진행자 존 스튜어트와 <유대인 커런츠(Jewish Currents)>의 편집장 피터 베이너트가 그의 저서 <가자 지구 파괴 이후 유대인으로 살기: 심판>을 바탕으로 나눈 대화를 요약한 것이다.

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1. 유대인 정체성과 도덕적 책임

• 좋은 유대인과 나쁜 유대인: 존 스튜어트와 피터 베이너트는 이스라엘의 정책을 비판한다는 이유로 유대인 공동체 내에서 '나쁜 유대인'이라 불리거나 친구를 잃는 등의 사회적 압박을 경험하고 있다.

• 다윗에서 골리앗으로: 유대 역사는 전통적으로 박해받는 '약자'의 역사였으나, 현재 가자 지구에서 벌어지는 일은 유대인이 '가해자'가 될 수 있음을 보여준다. 베이너트는 유대교의 핵심 가치가 모든 인간이 하나님의 형상으로 창조되었다는 믿음에 있다면, 가자에서 벌어지는 비인도적 상황에 침묵하지 않는 것이 유대인으로서의 의무라고 주장한다.

2. 가자 지구의 현 상황과 이스라엘의 책임

• 인도주의적 재앙: 베이너트는 현재 가자 지구에서 벌어지는 상황을 군사적 포위와 의도적인 굶주림으로 규정하며, 이스라엘의 인권 단체 비첼렘(B'Tselem)조차 이를 집단학살(genocide)로 보고 있음을 언급한다.

• 폭력의 악순환: 이스라엘의 가혹한 대응은 장기적으로 이스라엘 유대인들의 안전을 보장하지 못하며, 오히려 더 큰 위험을 초래한다. 베이너트는 팔레스타인인이 안전하고 자유로워야 이스라엘 유대인도 안전할 수 있다는 '운명 공동체' 의식을 강조한다.

3. 평화적 저항의 좌절과 하마스의 부상

• 비폭력 운동의 실패: 2018년 가자 지구의 비폭력 행진이 무력으로 진압되고, 국제 형사 재판소(ICC)를 통한 법적 대응이나 비폭력 보이콧이 범죄화되는 상황은 팔레스타인인들에게 "윤리적 저항은 통하지 않는다"는 메시지를 준다.

• 온건파의 패배: 가장 온건했던 팔레스타인 정치인 살람 파야드조차 이스라엘의 정착촌 확장과 억압으로 인해 실패했으며, 이러한 정치적 공백이 하마스의 세력을 키우는 결과를 낳았다.

4. 미국의 역할과 국제 사회의 방관

• 미국의 공모: 현재의 기아와 포위 공격은 미국의 무기와 지원 없이는 불가능하며, 미국 정부가 ICC의 베냐민 네타냐후 체포 영장을 비난하고 제재한 것은 이스라엘에 "더한 짓을 해도 괜찮다"는 신호를 보낸 것과 다름없다.

• 해결책으로서의 평등: 베이너트는 미국 유대인들이 미국 내에서는 법 앞의 평등을 중시하면서 이스라엘-팔레스타인 지역에서의 인종차별적 억압을 묵인하는 모순을 지적하며, 종교나 인종에 상관없이 법 아래 모두가 평등한 권리를 누리는 것만이 유일한 해결책이라고 주장한다.

5. 결론: 경청과 직면

• 베이너트는 유대인 공동체가 팔레스타인인의 목소리를 직접 듣지 않고 그들에 대해 '말하기'만 하는 비인간적 담론에서 벗어나야 한다고 강조한다. 직접 현장을 보고 팔레스타인인들의 고통과 인간성을 마주하는 것만이 사람들의 인식을 변화시킬 수 있는 가장 큰 힘이 된다.

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다음은 업로드된 인터뷰/텍스트
<Peter Beinart – Being Jewish After the Destruction of Gaza: A Reckoning>의 핵심 요약입니다.

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1. 핵심 문제의식

이 대화는 하나의 질문으로 수렴됩니다:

→ <유대인의 역사적 기억은 오늘 가자 상황에서 무엇을 요구하는가?>

Beinart의 답은 명확합니다:

→ <과거의 피해 경험은 현재의 억압을 정당화하는 근거가 아니라, 그것에 저항할 책임을 만든다>

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2. “좋은 유대인 vs 나쁜 유대인” 논쟁

인터뷰의 출발점은 내부 갈등입니다.

• 이스라엘 비판 → “나쁜 유대인”으로 낙인
• 공동체 내부에서 관계 단절 발생

Beinart는 이를 이렇게 해석합니다:

→ <정체성(유대인)과 도덕 판단이 충돌하고 있다>

그러나 그는 오히려 말합니다:

→ <고통받는 사람을 위해 말하는 사람들이야말로 역사적으로 유대인을 도왔던 사람들이다>

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3. 피해자 기억의 역설

가장 중요한 철학적 지점:

→ “David가 Goliath가 되었을 때 무엇을 해야 하는가?”

핵심 주장:

• 유대인은 역사적으로 피해자였음
• 그러나 지금은 권력을 가진 주체가 될 수 있음

따라서:

→ <유대인은 피해자이면서 동시에 가해자가 될 수 있는 존재라는 자기 인식이 필요하다>

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4. 가자 상황에 대한 판단

Beinart의 입장은 분명합니다:

• 가자 상황 = “비인도적이며 도덕적으로 잘못됨”
• 군사적 포위 + 기아 상황 강조

그는 특히 다음을 비판합니다:

• “강한 국가가 더 빨리 죽이지 않으니 집단학살이 아니다”라는 논리
  → 이를 냉소적 정당화로 비판

또한:

• 이스라엘 인권단체 B’Tselem의 판단 언급
  → 상황의 심각성 강조

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5. 핵심 정치 논리

Beinart의 중심 명제:

→ <이스라엘의 안전은 팔레스타인의 안전 없이는 불가능하다>

구체적으로:

• 억압 → 폭력 재생산
• 어린 시절 트라우마 → 미래 갈등 심화

즉:

→ <현재의 정책은 장기적으로 이스라엘에도 해롭다>

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6. 비폭력의 실패 구조

매우 중요한 구조 분석:

팔레스타인의 선택들:

1. 비폭력 시위 → 탄압
2. 보이콧 → 범죄화
3. 국제법 호소 → 제재

결론:

→ <비폭력적 저항이 실패하도록 구조가 설계되어 있다>

그리고 이것이:

→ <결과적으로 급진적 폭력(예: 하마스)을 강화한다>

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7. 미국과 국제사회 역할

강한 비판:

• 미국 → 사실상 공모자
• ICC → 무력화
• 국제 규범 → 선택적으로 적용

특히:

→ <미국의 지원 없이는 현재의 군사 포위가 불가능하다>

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8. 해결 원리: “법 앞의 평등”

Beinart의 해법은 단순하지만 급진적입니다:

→ <종교·민족과 무관한 법적 평등>

논리:

• 미국의 안전 = 법적 평등 기반
• 그렇다면 이스라엘도 동일해야 함

비판:

→ <왜 미국에서는 평등을 지지하면서, 이스라엘에서는 거부하는가?>

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9. 인식 전환의 핵심

그가 강조하는 변화 방법:

→ “논쟁”이 아니라 “경험”

즉:

• 팔레스타인 현실을 직접 보고
• 그들의 목소리를 들을 때

→ 인식 변화 발생

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10. 전체 요약

한 문장 핵심:

→ <유대인의 역사적 피해 기억은, 현재의 억압을 멈추라는 윤리적 명령이다>

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English Summary

Core Argument

This interview centers on a fundamental moral question:

→ What does Jewish historical memory demand in the context of Gaza?

Beinart argues:

→ Jewish history obligates Jews not to justify oppression, but to resist it.

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Key Points

1. <Internal Jewish Conflict>

Critics of Israel are labeled “bad Jews,” revealing tension between identity and morality.

2. <Victim–Perpetrator Duality>
   Jews must recognize they can be both victims and perpetrators.
3. <Moral Judgment on Gaza>

He describes the situation as inhumane, criticizing arguments that deny its severity.

4. <Security Logic>

→ Israeli safety depends on Palestinian safety.

5. <Failure of Nonviolence>

Nonviolent Palestinian actions are systematically undermined, strengthening extremism.

6. <US Complicity>

American support enables current policies.

7. <Solution Principle>

→ Equality under the law for all people.

8. <Path to Change>

→ Listening to Palestinian experiences is key.

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One-line Conclusion

→ Jewish history, properly understood, demands solidarity with the oppressed—not justification of power.

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원하시면 다음 단계로:

→ <Beinart vs Ilan Pappé vs Benny Morris 비교>
→ <이스라엘 내부 비판자 스펙트럼 지도>
→ <“피해자 기억 정치” 구조 분석 (한국·이스라엘 비교)>

이어 정리해드리겠습니다.

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0:00Thank you for joining us. You are Jewish. I am Jewish.

0:066 secondsPeople yell at me about what I say sometimes about Palestine, and what's going on in Israel.

0:1414 secondsAnd they call me a bad Jew. Apparently, you can lose points.

0:2323 secondsWhat are you experiencing as someone who is writing very clearly about your upset at what is occurring in Gaza?

0:3232 secondsWell, I have lost some pretty close friends over this. But I also don't worry about having to feed my kids.

0:4040 secondsThey're not starving. JON STEWART: Right. They're not being killed. I have freedom. I really have an incredibly fortunate and blessed life.

0:4747 secondsAnd even though it's hard sometimes to have other Jews really not like me, because Judaism is everything to me,

0:5353 secondsit's at the center of my life, I've also met so many other people from so many different walks of life, who care about the same things that I do,

1:001 minutewho believe that all human beings are created in the image of God.

1:041 minute, 4 secondsAnd I know a lot of people caricature a lot of these people who care about Palestinian rights and freedom as, like, being anti-Semitic.

1:101 minute, 10 secondsBut to be honest, the vast, vast majority of people I meet, they strike me as,

1:151 minute, 15 secondslike, the kind of people who would have stuck up for us when we were in trouble, the kind of people who are willing to risk something because when they see people suffering and being abused, they act.

1:251 minute, 25 secondsAnd those are the people who I want to be around.

1:271 minute, 27 secondsYou know, you bring up such an interesting point because it does cut to the idea of who qualifies as a good Jew and a bad Jew.

1:391 minute, 39 secondsAnd admittedly, I don't know all the different things in the nuance of the history here,

1:461 minute, 46 secondsor what happened in '93 at the agreement that might have turned-- but I know what I'm seeing. And I have a moral clarity about what I'm seeing.

1:551 minute, 55 secondsAnd what I'm seeing, I think, as someone who was raised in Judaism, that's what taught me that this is wrong.

2:062 minutes, 6 secondsWhat I'm seeing happening in Gaza is wrong. We learn in Judaism-- it's funny.

2:142 minutes, 14 secondsYou learn that you're the underdog. That's kind of the history. PETER BEINART: Right. Right. I always looked at the chosen people as kind of awry.

2:222 minutes, 22 secondsWhen you read the history of the Jews, you're like, you're the chosen people. And you want to say to God, like, if you could choose someone else, that would be nice.

2:302 minutes, 30 secondsBut what happens when David becomes Goliath? Yeah.

2:382 minutes, 38 secondsAnd the responsibility there, is that what troubles you? Yeah. I mean, our responsibility is to remember,

2:452 minutes, 45 secondsis to remember what was done to us,

2:482 minutes, 48 secondsto remember what we would have wanted people around the world--

2:512 minutes, 51 secondsI'm not saying that what's happening in Gaza is the equivalent of the Holocaust or anything like that. But what's happening in Gaza is bad enough. JON STEWART: It may be a slow--

2:572 minutes, 57 secondsI saw an article in The Times, Bret Stephens, I think.

3:013 minutes, 1 secondAnd his argument was, this can't be a genocide because Israel is so strong, they could kill them much quicker. PETER BEINART: Right.

3:073 minutes, 7 secondsAnd I thought, well, that's the most cynical description of a military siege, and a purposeful starvation, that I've ever seen in my life. - Right.

3:153 minutes, 15 secondsI mean, even Israel's leading human rights organization, B'Tselem, has just come out with a report saying, they believe this is genocide.

3:213 minutes, 21 secondsSo it seems to me, if we want to remember our history, if we want to honor those in our own families, and of our people who were slaughtered,

3:303 minutes, 30 secondsand who were genocided, who were starved to death while nobody in the world cared, our obligation is to care. Our obligation is to risk something.

3:383 minutes, 38 secondsAUDIENCE: [CHEERING] So I've been-- listen, man.

3:483 minutes, 48 secondsThis has rocked my-- I feel like a crazy person.

3:513 minutes, 51 secondsI feel like I'm watching something that is so self-evidently inhumane and horrific.

4:004 minutesAnd to be told that I have to shut up because I risk the Jewish state by speaking out?

4:094 minutes, 9 secondsI would say the opposite.

4:114 minutes, 11 secondsI think not-- I think they're putting the likelihood of a surviving Jewish state much more at risk with this type of action.

4:194 minutes, 19 secondsI think they're the ones that are being anti-- if you want to define-- Netanyahu, with the definition of anti-Semitism,

4:284 minutes, 28 secondswould probably have to bomb himself. I mean, you know-- AUDIENCE: [APPLAUSE] Yeah.

4:364 minutes, 36 secondsMartin Luther-- Martin Luther King said that white and Black Americans were bound up in a single garment of destiny. Right? Palestinians and Israeli Jews, and in some ways,

4:444 minutes, 44 secondsJews around the world, were bound up in a single garment of destiny. If we want Israeli Jews to be safe, and I care passionately about the safety of Israeli Jews,

4:534 minutes, 53 secondsin the long term, Israeli Jews are only going to be safe if Palestinians are going to be safe. And Palestinians can't be safe unless they're free.

5:005 minutesIf they're under oppression, if they live under conditions that even Israel's own human rights organizations called apartheid, they are suffering radical amounts of violence all the time, even before October 7.

5:125 minutes, 12 secondsDo we think when we think about all these kids in Gaza, who are watching their parents starving to death, who are watching dozens of their family members being killed,

5:205 minutes, 20 secondsis that good for Israel? Is that good for Israeli Jews in the long term? How you treat people has an impact on how they treat you. Right?

5:295 minutes, 29 secondsAnd if you want Israeli Jews to be safe, Palestinians also have to be safe. How does the-- and look. Listen.

5:365 minutes, 36 secondsThis is a tough conversation because we are two people that I think see this situation very similarly.

5:465 minutes, 46 secondsRight.

5:475 minutes, 47 secondsI obviously see it from a more secular perspective because I am, even before Gaza, a bad Jew.

5:555 minutes, 55 secondsAUDIENCE: [LAUGHS]

5:575 minutes, 57 secondsLike, first night of Passover for me was, like, meatball Parmesan hero. Like, I was not good. I was not good.

6:036 minutes, 3 secondsBut you see all of our holidays, the entire ethos,

6:116 minutes, 11 secondsfor me of being Jewish, and I don't doubt that there are people that have a radically different interpretation than I do.

6:176 minutes, 17 secondsBut it's all about, like, we were about to be wiped out. We were in a cave. We had three days of oil.

6:266 minutes, 26 secondsAnd then suddenly, the Maccabees overcame it all.

6:306 minutes, 30 secondsOr Purim, Esther, she was almost destroyed by Haman, and the Jewish people-- but she went to Mordecai.

6:396 minutes, 39 secondsAnd now, we wear costumes and do-- like, it was always like, oh, they almost got us. But wait. Right.

6:476 minutes, 47 secondsRight. It's more complicated than that, isn't it? It's true. Because if you really--

6:526 minutes, 52 secondsif you read the Hebrew Bible, if you read the Talmud, what you see is that our religious texts describe-- describe us in the full range of humanity.

7:017 minutes, 1 secondWe're human beings. Nothing human is alien to us. We can be horribly victimized, and our texts talk about that. But at the end of the book of Esther,

7:097 minutes, 9 secondsfrom which the Purim story comes, also ends with a massacre by Jews of the Jews' enemies. The story of Hanukkah doesn't--

7:177 minutes, 17 secondsand the story of of the Hasmonean, who became the Maccabees became in power, it moves from them,

7:237 minutes, 23 secondsliberating the Jewish people to them becoming oppressors themselves. So part of recognizing us as human as Jews, as fully human,

7:307 minutes, 30 secondsis recognizing that we are capable of being victims and being victimizers.

7:357 minutes, 35 secondsAnd we have to recognize that in order to prevent us from falling into the trap of thinking that every single situation is the equivalent of what was happening in the Soviet-- in the tsarist Russia,

7:467 minutes, 46 secondsor in Nazi Germany. In some situations, the power dynamic is reversed.

7:517 minutes, 51 secondsIn Israel-Palestine, it's Jews who all enjoy legal supremacy and citizenship, and Palestinians who are denied basic rights.

7:597 minutes, 59 secondsAnd we have to recognize that that's possible, and we have to fight against it for our own sake, and for the sake of our honor.

8:068 minutes, 6 secondsHow do we get past those conversations with fellow Jewish people?

8:128 minutes, 12 secondsLike, it's been-- I feel like it's been shut down that they're horrified by things that I would say about the injustice of it all.

8:268 minutes, 26 secondsAnd I feel like I don't know how to talk to even friends of mine that have gone there. And I imagine they feel the same way about me.

8:338 minutes, 33 secondsBut there's an urgency about it now, because like, right now, in this situation, we can't be like,

8:418 minutes, 41 secondsbut Jews are not getting along with other Jews. Like, that's not the important thing right now. How is the world not stepping in-- Right.

8:488 minutes, 48 secondsAnd stopping this atrocity? I don't understand this in any way, shape, or form. - I mean-- - It's boggling my mind. It's worse than just not stepping in.

8:558 minutes, 55 secondsIt's our weapons that are enforcing this siege, that is enforcing this mass starvation.

9:019 minutes, 1 secondEight-- in November of 2024, something like eight months ago, the International Criminal Court, the--

9:079 minutes, 7 secondsissued a warrant for the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu for the war crime of starvation. Eight months ago. Eight months ago.

9:149 minutes, 14 secondsAnd the United States responded by trashing the International Criminal Court, even under Biden, and then under Trump, imposing sanctions on the International Criminal Court.

9:229 minutes, 22 secondsAnd so the message to Israel was very clear. You can get away with worse. And so then for almost three months in this--

9:299 minutes, 29 secondsearly this year, Israel cut off all food, all medicine, all water into the Gaza Strip. Wasn't-- it's a siege.

9:379 minutes, 37 secondsIt's a military siege. Yes, that we are deeply complicit in. It could not happen without us.

9:439 minutes, 43 secondsThen why can't we use our leverage-- surely,

9:489 minutes, 48 secondsthe United States can't believe that this is in the best interest of the region. And when Donald Trump says something like, finish the job,

9:569 minutes, 56 secondswhat job is he talking about? What does that mean? Well, I mean, the Trump plan made it pretty clear, the mass expulsion of all Palestinians from Gaza.

10:0510 minutes, 5 secondsAnd that is official Israeli government--

10:0610 minutes, 6 secondsBut do you believe in the people of Israel would second that? There must be a robust--

10:1510 minutes, 15 secondsThere are many Israelis who are appalled by this. Absolutely.

10:1910 minutes, 19 secondsBut the problem is, when a leader like Netanyahu can get away with this again, and again, and again, it actually makes him stronger.

10:2810 minutes, 28 secondsThe way to weaken Netanyahu at home would be to show Israelis that when Netanyahu does these brutal things to the Palestinians,

10:3710 minutes, 37 secondsthat it actually-- that there are consequences. Not consequences in human lives. I don't want an Israeli to die.

10:4310 minutes, 43 secondsBut there have to be some consequences so Israelis see that this is not good for them.

10:4910 minutes, 49 secondsBut it feels like they are not capable of being the arbiters of this dispute.

10:5510 minutes, 55 secondsIt feels like the occupying power is not allowed to dictate the terms of freedom for the people they occupy.

11:0311 minutes, 3 secondsThat seems inherently illegal. Yes.

11:0611 minutes, 6 secondsI don't understand how the world doesn't step in and separate these two factions. And I don't even want to call it a war.

11:1511 minutes, 15 secondsIt's a guerrilla operation facing an actual army with planes and bombs. Right. And to be clear, I know you agree.

11:2311 minutes, 23 secondsWhat Hamas did on October 7 was despicable. These were war crimes.

11:2611 minutes, 26 secondsBut the thing we have to ask ourselves is, how does Israel react?

11:2911 minutes, 29 secondsHow does America-- how do America react when Palestinians fight for their freedom in an ethical way, in a way that respects the lives of Israelis?

11:3711 minutes, 37 secondsIn 2018, there was a mass march, overwhelmingly non-violent, in Gaza. Palestinians did exactly what we wanted them to do. They behaved like Gandhi.

11:4511 minutes, 45 secondsAnd did people applaud? No.

11:4811 minutes, 48 secondsIsrael put sharpshooters with American weapons on the fence and shot thousands of people, so many people that the Gaza had to start an amputee soccer team after that.

11:5611 minutes, 56 secondsWhen they do non-violent boycotts, we criminalize the boycotts. When they go to the International Criminal Court, we sanction the International Criminal Court.

12:0412 minutes, 4 secondsWe essentially send the message to Palestinians that non-violent protests, that ethical protest resistance, doesn't work.

12:1112 minutes, 11 secondsAnd that makes it easier for Hamas to commit the crimes that they did on October 7. It's a situation. And look.

12:1912 minutes, 19 secondsAnd I know what the pushback is. Like, Israel ceases to exist if this doesn't occur. But I remember-- look.

12:2812 minutes, 28 secondsI was raised in the story of Israel being necessary for the safety of Jews, which, by the way,

12:3612 minutes, 36 secondsif that's the case, we have a much bigger problem in this world than anything else.

12:4012 minutes, 40 secondsThe idea that a people have to have an armed fortress of a homeland just to be safe living in this world is an absolute failure of humanity in the first place.

12:5412 minutes, 54 secondsBut I remember Ariel Sharon withdrew from Gaza. And Hamas took over. And I remember thinking like, oh, this is going to be,

13:0313 minutes, 3 secondswhat an interesting moment of opportunity. You almost have an experiment set up.

13:0913 minutes, 9 secondsYou have, here's what happens to the Palestinians if they choose a radical route, Hamas.

13:1513 minutes, 15 secondsBut in the West Bank, here's what happens to you if you choose a more moderate. PETER BEINART: Right.

13:1913 minutes, 19 secondsAnd what happened in the West Bank then was not the flourishing of rights. It was the building of more settlements.

13:2713 minutes, 27 secondsIt was the empowering of settler violence. It was the crushing of the Palestinians' authority to do anything.

13:3513 minutes, 35 secondsAnd I understand-- it felt like that was the moment that hope was removed in any real way for me.

13:4313 minutes, 43 secondsThat's when I went, oh, I think what to believe anymore.

13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsI mean, the most-- the Palestinian politician who Israelis loved the most was a guy named Salam Fayyad. He was the most moderate Palestinian leader,

13:5513 minutes, 55 secondsthe most opposed to any armed resistance at all. And when he left Palestinian politics in 2013, he did an interview. And he basically said, Israel has defeated me.

14:0314 minutes, 3 secondsI did everything they wanted. I couldn't stop settlement growth for a single day. And he said, you know who's going to be empowered by this? Hamas. Right?

14:1214 minutes, 12 secondsIf you actually want to keep Israeli Jews safe,

14:1414 minutes, 14 secondsand you want to weaken Hamas, and you want to make sure that a terrible day like October 7 never happens again,

14:2014 minutes, 20 secondsyou need to stop criminalizing and killing Palestinians who fight for their freedom in accordance with international law in an ethical way.

14:2914 minutes, 29 secondsBut our government, and the Israeli government, do exactly the opposite. JON STEWART: How--

14:3314 minutes, 33 secondsPeter, to me, like, I can-- if there's Jewish people who are conservative, or thinking a different way out there, who are right now boiling with rage at us,

14:4214 minutes, 42 secondsand I truly do want to understand, like,

14:4614 minutes, 46 secondsis it that they think their existence, and the existence of Israel, is fragile to the point where that disagreement puts them at risk,

14:5614 minutes, 56 secondsor that we're not understanding just how hard they've bent over backwards to make this work? Because that's the part that I don't see.

15:0515 minutes, 5 secondsLike, well, we gave the Palestinians every chance, and they didn't take it. So now, we get to do whatever we want.

15:0915 minutes, 9 secondsI mean, what I would say to those people who are living in the United States is, like, what are we basing our safety on, the safety of our children?

15:1615 minutes, 16 secondsWe're basing our safety on the idea of equality under the law,

15:1915 minutes, 19 secondsthe idea of a government that treats people equally irrespective of their religion, or ethnicity, or race.

15:2415 minutes, 24 secondsThat's what our-- that's what most Americans believe keep us safe.

15:2815 minutes, 28 secondsSo why would we not believe it was right for Jews in Israel as well? When you treat people equally under the law,

15:3415 minutes, 34 secondsand you don't submit one group of people to brutal racism and oppression,

15:4015 minutes, 40 secondsyou have-- everybody is safer because everyone can participate in government.

15:4515 minutes, 45 secondsAnd I don't understand why it is that some American Jews think that equality under the law is right for us, but wrong in Israel and Palestine.

15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsJON STEWART: They would say that they have it. They would say that they have it. I've heard them say. They've said it to me. They've said to me, you don't understand Arab-Israelis.

16:0116 minutes, 1 secondThey're doctors. - I know. Right. But this is why we need to listen to Palestinians. Right.

16:0616 minutes, 6 secondsThis is why it's such a problem that Palestinians are so rarely on the mainstream media.

16:1016 minutes, 10 secondsIt's why it's a problem in our community that Palestinians are not invited to speak in synagogues.

16:1416 minutes, 14 secondsThe kids aren't given books by Palestinians in Jewish schools and Jewish camps. Because when you listen to Palestinians, you stop just talking always about Palestinians,

16:2116 minutes, 21 secondsand telling them-- and listen to Palestinians talk about their own lives, you realize how brutal the experience has been.

16:2816 minutes, 28 secondsAnd you also begin to understand how dehumanizing the discourse of always talking about them without listening to them is.

16:3416 minutes, 34 secondsHave you ever been able to broach this with someone who believes as vehemently on the other side, as Jewish--

16:4016 minutes, 40 secondshave you ever found a way in that allowed you to fully

16:4816 minutes, 48 secondsexplain the passion that you feel for this, and why you think it's so devastating?

16:5216 minutes, 52 secondsAnd have you had them hear you with not necessarily changing of the mind, but with a grace that doesn't

16:5916 minutes, 59 secondsaccuse you somehow of undercutting the entirety of our people?

17:0417 minutes, 4 secondsI would say the thing that I've seen has the biggest impact on people is not anything that I say. It's actually going and seeing for themselves.

17:1217 minutes, 12 secondsAnd it's actually encountering what it's like to live for Palestinians,

17:1617 minutes, 16 secondstheir entire lives, under the control of a state that has life-and-death power over them, but over which they have no influence, because they can't be a citizen.

17:2417 minutes, 24 secondsThey can't vote. They need military permission to travel around. They live under military law with a 99% prosecution rate.

17:3117 minutes, 31 secondsWhen you stop just talking about Palestinians, and you go, and see, and you listen to them,

17:3617 minutes, 36 secondsand you face their humanity, and you could imagine yourself being in their shoes, and you see what Israel has done to them, that's what I find changes people.

17:4617 minutes, 46 secondsRight. Well, Peter, I tell you, this-- it's a painful book. I'm not going to lie.

17:5317 minutes, 53 secondsIt is a painful book, but I think it's an important book. And I think people should read it. And, look, make up your own minds. You're not going to--

18:0118 minutes, 1 secondus two talking about it's not going to do that much.

18:0318 minutes, 3 secondsBut Being Jewish After The Destruction of Gaza is available now. Peter Beinart, thank you for being here. Thank you.

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@echochamber.

8 months ago

Maybe one day networks will interview Palestinians about Gaza

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@nisahmed9121

8 months ago

Sightseeing a Genocide  ?!! Who does that ?!!!!

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@katherineLGV

1 day ago

​ @nisahmed9121 

we do, apparently.  

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@USAoverrated

8 months ago

 @nisahmed9121 those who get paid to visit Israel from America, like Michael Rapaport

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@ginaminugh5321

8 months ago

 @nisahmed9121  I was thinking the same. The arrogance. I mostly love the Daily Show, but this interview is so shamefully off the mark.

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@jezlawrence720

8 months ago

Yes. But also it's vital to hear Jewish voices who don't think Israel is incapable of wrongdoing because the fanatics on all sides have a lot of money and loud voices.

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@queenofhearts29

8 months ago

It will happen and everyone would pretend that they were against this, just wait and see.

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@Ficus-plant

8 months ago

 @queenofhearts29 You are so right!

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@n0tfr0mth1sw0rld

8 months ago

​ @queenofhearts29  already happening with finally ppl turning and pretending that they were against it all along

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@Jimmy-p9n

8 months ago

IF there are any palestinians left

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@nonnydragon

8 months ago

He interviewed Mo who's Palestinian

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@slcinaus

8 months ago

 @nonnydragon about comedy. One person.

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@cathiemarvellous

8 months ago

​ @nonnydragon  mo who assiduously avoided the topic of conflict for 18 months? That guy?

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@Jr42fan

8 months ago

He did.  Jon interviewed a Palestinian and Jewish pair of friends.  Conan did an entire episode dedicated to Palestine on his HBO Max travel show. The parts that were cut for time or on his website

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@Gabriel_H77

8 months ago

​ @Jr42fan I believe the OPs comments were more "news" show orientated.

That only comedy shows will do it shouldn't be anything to laud.

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@FuinFirith

8 months ago

 @Jr42fan  I think the pair Jon interviewed (Murtaza Hussain and Yair Rosenberg) are Muslim and Jewish Americans.  I don't think Murtaza is Palestinian, ethnically or otherwise.  Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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@aGr3atD4y

8 months ago

 @Jr42fan  That wasn't it travel show on Max, but from his time hosting the Talk Show - he visited both Gaza and Israel. The travels he did on the talkshow is what evolved into the HBO show!

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@RetaTouiee

8 months ago

It has little to no impact on the general US population when a Palestinian or any non Jewish person talks about the genocide. It has to be Jewish people standing up against thia genocide for any change to happen.

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@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye

4 days ago

​ @RetaTouiee   How about letting them speak first and then draw your conclusions? We must ste pout of this colonialist logic. You underestimate both Palestinians and the US population. Besides nothing forbids the association of both means.

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@Firefire199

8 months ago

He did that Im pretty sure, but this was a different appeal to stop supporting Israel for this what is now an ethical cleanse even if it didn't initially begin so and had ample reason. Different arguments make sense for or sway different people, not everyone supports a same goal for the same reasons reasons.

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@michaelreader2384

8 months ago

Here's the angry emails Jon mentioned at the beginning.

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@mokiboy

8 months ago

It's unsettling that the sincerity of this video is paired with a comment so cynical.

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@allanhouston22

8 months ago

Maybe Hollywood will make one single movie where they show real life of a palestnian under Israeli occupacition?

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@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye

4 days ago

 @allanhouston22  There are already documentaries coming pretty close to that, such as ones done by Israeli dissident journalist Amira Hass who lived 13 years in Gaza.

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@zakmartin

8 months ago

Maybe one day a US government minister will say "Palestine has the right to defend itself".

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@hardlyworking_

8 months ago

for real though

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@jamesMitzvah

8 months ago

Maybe one day, Palestinians will actually stand for freedom and peace instead of a nationalism that simply wants a government of their own tribe (ie not a Jewish government)

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@aminavGM

8 months ago

I understand and agree but this type of conversation is very important too . We need both

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@iringa77

8 months ago

Israel went from "never again" to "our turn"......

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@michaelmcclure3383

8 months ago

Never again...for them

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@nabbunsechkie

8 months ago

Israel was always, "our turn" from it's very birth. Look on the Nakba in 48. Also look up all the terrorism they started before Israel was created.

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@hoganholo99

8 months ago

Except, Israelis never actually meant "never again".

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@lookbovine

8 months ago (edited)

Hmmm, why can’t I reply to certain people in this thread? 🤔 …the all numerical username that just screams “I’m real”…

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@strohhut_tufi

8 months ago

"our turn" is the exact motto of the state of Israel since it's existence.

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@z22222

8 months ago

People need to understand this was not the first time; just because they did not hear about Nakba, Deir Yassin, Sabra & Shatila, does not mean it did not happen before.

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@billyalarie929

8 months ago

 @z22222  when you say "this was not the first time" are you talking about Oct. 7?

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@suzanteman6376

8 months ago

 @z22222 all lies. Stop spreading lies.

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@jimmyalfonda3536

8 months ago

I'm convinced that alot of Jewish old ppl mean "never again" like "never again for us." They were asleep when the rohingya were massacred and when hundreds of thousands of tutsi were killed in 70 days. There's a reason for that.

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@farhanaahmad4148

8 months ago

But not against the people who did it to them

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@cherylalexander2967

8 months ago

Thank you for having this courageous conversation. As an elderly Jew I have been so ashamed of this abomination….

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@ameliasalmon6906

7 months ago

If the U.S stopped arming Israel, this genocide could stop tomorrow. Keep speaking up, you have the power.

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@mayaenglish5424

8 months ago

"What happens when David becomes Goliath?"

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@randaabdulkarim4086

8 months ago

Thanks to these brave Jewish brothers! A Palestinian Muslim here!

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@ezatullaha.3502

8 months ago

as a muslim i love and respect my Jewish brothers and sisters who are talking truth and stand by humanity and defend the truth!

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@MisTikkalRosy

6 months ago

Thank you for this. I was so proud of the many Australians who marched in protest at what was happening in Gaza. "Never again means never again for ANYBODY" < that says it all.

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@KB_13247

8 months ago

there was a holocaust survivor who was protesting the genocide in gaza. i think his words were the most powerful when asked why he was protesting against israel, he said "never again, means never again... for ANYBODY."

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@mahmoudtaieb9376

8 months ago

Gaza is experiencing absolute injustice.

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@suegur4762

8 months ago

And the  WORLD IS NOT stepping in  This is a SHAME for the WORLD!

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@tonybar1611

2 days ago

At least somebody starts to listen, that keeps hope alive. We need more like that, more of the truth.

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@c2gindustries

8 months ago

“…those are the kind of people who would have stuck up for us.”

That’s super powerful.

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@kirstinevad347

8 months ago

For the decency of humanity we need to stop what is happening in Gaza!

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@appaatemomo-freePalestine

8 months ago

Palestinians are never allowed to speak about their own oppression on their own terms. It's always others who are allowed to decide how to frame the topic.

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@candyshaiboon1306

1 day ago

Thank you for explaining this as compassionate and human. 🙏🏼

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@nadine4963

8 months ago

I'm Palestinian and this interview gives me hope 🙏 Thank you for your courage and humanity ❤️

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@mo19702009

8 months ago

My support to Palestina.

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@nadine4963

8 months ago

It's interesting how a simple comment meant to express heartfelt gratitude to make you judge a stranger you know nothing about (except that I'm Palestinian), anyway yes, I do condemn everyone involved in violence against civilians from both sides as I condemn occupationa and terrorism in the Westbank, and I do agree with 2 states solution, and truly hope for justice , and equal human rights for all 

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@soleboxy

8 months ago

​ @nadine4963  what do you mean by justice? i never understood the usage of the word in this context.

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@thepathtolove

8 months ago

https://youtu.be/rzw_Te1KAl0?si=0YcvSzLaakRATIwt

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@rachelwatsky683

7 months ago

Crazy how to you seem to have electricity and time to watch American tv

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@aman4peace

6 months ago

I love arab people Be proud to be Palestinians. I always supported the Palestinian people I lost someone I knew was my distant daughter. We always talked for ten years, she died two years ago in November of the war in Gaza . I feel so bad she was someone to me.  Be proud of who you are and keep your historical background

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@SusannaSaunders

2 weeks ago

A lot of people around the world hope your people get to live in peace, justice and harmony. We are campaigning on your behalf. Please, try to hold the line while we talk to our elected representatives to stop this genocide!

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@JSFTW25

8 months ago

Safed 1834

Battle of Tel Hai 1920

Palestine riots of 1929.

Tiberias pogrom 1938.

Haifa Oil Refinery massacre 1947.

Convoy of 35 massacre 1948.

Ben Yehuda Street bombing 1948.

Jewish Agency bombing 1948.

Hadassah medical convoy massacre 1948.

Kfar Etzion massacre 1948.

Ma'ale Akrabim massacre 1954.

Avivim school bus massacre 1970.

Lod Airport massacre 1972.

Just a couple goes up to 2023 but why bother. You clearly think violence against us is totally justified but not the other way around. Sane people who actually know all the history would say both sides

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@leom7133

8 months ago

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@robertlonsdale5326

8 months ago

Don't be fooled.

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@youngun550

8 months ago

I am SO GLAD for this conversation. Thank you both so much

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@MargretRoberts

8 months ago

"Our obligation is to care"  - Prof. Beinart, you are so right!

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@yogananda11

3 days ago

Thank you for speaking up ❤

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@wonderwoman5528

8 months ago

I heard a story from a Dr in Gaza. He said he treated a little girl with shrapnel in both eyes, blinded. Her entire family was blown up and killed and she was orphaned. A little girl blind and orphaned. There will be so many tragic stories like this we have yet to hear.

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@mbvbac

8 months ago

Paid for by the US taxpayer.

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@ANunes06

8 months ago

Wounded Child, No Surviving Family (WCNSF) is a designation that was invented as a result of how common that is in this conflict.

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@nj1638

8 months ago

Don’t you feel offended for the Palestinians when people say BUT it’s not the same as a genocide, or the holocaust?!  At what point do you say “It can not get any worse than this”.  Pain and humiliation and death, or life-long trauma for the living.

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@sastarealmondo

13 days ago

​ @nj1638 offended doesn't describe it😢

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@azalia423

8 months ago

“The rot is very, very deep,” Jewish historian Ilan Pappe describing Israel.

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@Vecko-t8b

8 months ago

Just one story among thousands over there. We, as a specie, have failed.

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@losermoder

8 months ago

there have been hundreds of stories like this hundreds of doctors have been telling similar stories for years not even just after oct 7

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@evebosnick3095

8 months ago

we absolutely need to hear these stories and see the pics - americans need the visuals ! remember the caskets of american soliders in the war in vietnam  -  changed  public opinion

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@TheShauNanigans

8 months ago

 @evebosnick3095  You see people of all sizes wrapped in white shrouds every day. People do not seem to care, or the people who do are not the people who can do anything, unfortunately. We keep trying until someone with enough power does something about it.

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@jmp01a24

8 months ago

What have you Americans done to stop the killing?

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@lisafedele7884

8 months ago

And the West Bank! It's horrible.

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